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It was a crap season for the 49ers. A 2-14 season buys them nothing but the 2nd pick in the NFL Draft and yet another turbulent offseason after firing the head coach and the GM who hired him and put together a team that shit all over the proud 49ers legacy. Whoever the new coach is, he will have a tough time rebuilding this team to a respectable franchise.

What's also likely is the next coach won't have Colin Kaepernick either as he will be a free agent after proving he still belongs in a league where guys named Tom Savage, Matt Moore, and Case Keenum were starting on Sunday afternoons. Kaepernick is a seriously flawed quarterback, but is he the worst signal-caller in the NFL? Not even close, and as the winner of the 49ers Len Eshmont Award, he may have lost the respect of his many critics, but not of the guys in the locker room.

SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- In a season filled with controversy surrounding San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick's protest of racial inequality in the United States, Kaepernick apparently inspired many of his teammates.

When the 49ers announced their team awards Friday afternoon, Kaepernick was the recipient of the Len Eshmont Award, given to the 49er who "best exemplifies the inspirational and courageous play of Len Eshmont, an original member of the 1946 49ers team." The award, which was established after Eshmont died in 1957, is considered the most prestigious honor the players vote on.

After sitting down for the national anthem before a preseason game, Kaepernick has knelt during the anthem for the entire season. He has been joined most of the time by safety Eric Reid and outside linebacker Eli Harold. Kaepernick took over the starting quarterback job in Week 6 against Buffalo and has remained in that position since.

After Kaepernick's protest first became public knowledge in the preseason, the 49ers had a players-only meeting in which Kaepernick welcomed his teammates to ask questions about his reasons for the protest.

Center Daniel Kilgore said at the time that he initially didn't understand why Kaepernick chose to voice his opinion during the anthem, but he came out of that meeting with a different perspective.

"After Kap stated his case today, and seeing where he is coming from, I do stand with Kap when he says 'enough is enough' against crime and the violence and discrimination and racism," Kilgore said in August. "I believe that enough is enough. But I could see why people would think it's bad with the national anthem and the military."

Outside of the 49ers locker room, former players like Joe Theismann blasted the team for selecting Kaepernick for the award, but what Theismann should know and has forgotten is that he is outside of the locker room. Thesimann doesn't have any idea on how Kaepernick's teammates feel about him. Old ex-jocks never run out of things to say about younger players. Theismann should mind his own damn business and go back to supporting his former team's racist nickname some more.
 

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What's also likely is the next coach won't have Colin Kaepernick either as he will be a free agent after proving he still belongs in a league where guys named Tom Savage, Matt Moore, and Case Keenum were starting on Sunday afternoons.
Meanwhile, Alex Smith, who was unceremoniously dumped by the Niners for having the temerity to suffer a concussion, has "game managed" the Chiefs to a first place in the division and a playoff berth.
Ex-jocks never run out of things to say about younger players. Theismann should mind his own damn business and go back to supporting his former team's racist nickname some more.
Yes. Usually it's confined to explaining how had the younger players been active back in their day, they would have crushed them.

Joe Theismann has also been very complimentary toward Donald Trump, so dissing Collin Kaepernick's actions should come as no surprise.
 

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Meanwhile, Alex Smith, who was unceremoniously dumped by the Niners for having the temerity to suffer a concussion, has "game managed" the Chiefs to a first place in the division and a playoff berth.

Ah yes. Alex Smith. Unceremoniously dumped from one starting QB gig into another. Poor baby. Did Smith game manage the Chiefs to first place in the AFC West and a playoff berth, or did the Raiders Derek Carr's snapped right ankle have something to do with it?

Every time the divinely humdrum Alex Smith dinks and dunks his way down the field, I can't help but recall the Niners wasted the Number One draft pick on this mope over Aaron Rodgers. The same Aaron Rodgers whose stats for the last three games look like this:

1/8 vs Giants...............362 yds.......4 tds.........0 int
1/1 vs Lions.................300 yds.......4 tds.........0 int
12/27 vs Vikings..........340 yds.......4 tds.........0 int


For the season, Rodgers racked up 4,428 yds, 40 tds and only 7 interceptions. After stumbling out the gate and dropping their first four games, Rodgers has led the Packers to yet another division title and put up MVP numbers in the process. He didn't hurt his chances of winning his third MVP with yet another Hail Mary TD pass that left the Giants flailing and reeling because that's what Aaron Rodgers does and he's doing it for the Packers because the Niners thought Rodgers was too "cocky and arrogant" when they had a chance to draft him.

So the Niners passed on Rodgers and chose Alex Smith and this is what he's done lately.

1/1 vs Chargers.............264 yds.....2 tds.....1 int
12/25 vs Broncos...........244 yds.....1 td......1 int
12/18 vs Titans..............163 yds.....0 tds.....1 int


Smith finished the season with 3,502 yds, 15 tds and 8 interceptions. That is the very definition of a fair-to-middling "game manager." Don't go out and win the game and don't do anything to lose it. Play smart. Don't throw deep. Don't turn the ball over. Dink, checkdown, dink some more, repeat. Bake until ready. Serves four. That's what Alex Smith gives you and I'm very happy he's doing his boring-ass quarterbacking thing in Kansas City and not San Francisco.

Mediocrity in the NFL means you'll play a long time and be well compensated to do so, but this is a passing league and Smith is not that guy. Rodgers is a stud and Kaepernick could have been, but Smith will never be anything more than a guy who won't get you beat, but can't make the play that gets you the Lombardi trophy either.
 
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Ah yes. Alex Smith. Unceremoniously dumped from one starting QB gig into another. Poor baby. Did Smith game manage the Chiefs to first place in the AFC West and a playoff berth, or did the Raiders Derek Carr's snapped right ankle have something to do with it?

Every time the divinely humdrum Alex Smith dinks and dunks his way down the field, I can't help but recall the Niners wasted the Number One draft pick on this mope over Aaron Rodgers. The same Aaron Rodgers whose stats for the last three games look like this:

1/8 vs Giants...............362 yds.......4 tds.........0 int
1/1 vs Lions.................300 yds.......4 tds.........0 int
12/27 vs Vikings..........340 yds.......4 tds.........0 int


For the season, Rodgers racked up 4,428 yds, 40 tds and only 7 interceptions. After stumbling out the gate and dropping their first four games, Rodgers has led the Packers to yet another division title and put up MVP numbers in the process. He didn't hurt his chances of winning his third MVP with yet another Hail Mary TD pass that left the Giants flailing and reeling because that's what Aaron Rodgers does and he's doing it for the Packers because the Niners thought Rodgers was too "cocky and arrogant" when they had a chance to draft him.

So the Niners passed on Rodgers and chose Alex Smith and this is what he's done lately.

1/1 vs Chargers.............264 yds.....2 tds.....1 int
12/25 vs Broncos...........244 yds.....1 td......1 int
12/18 vs Titans..............163 yds.....0 tds.....1 int


Smith finished the season with 3,502 yds, 15 tds and 8 interceptions. That is the very definition of a fair-to-middling "game manager." Don't go out and win the game and don't do anything to lose it. Play smart. Don't throw deep. Don't turn the ball over. Dink, checkdown, dink some more, repeat. Bake until ready. Serves four. That's what Alex Smith gives you and I'm very happy he's doing his boring-ass quarterbacking thing in Kansas City and not San Francisco.

Mediocrity in the NFL means you'll play a long time and be well compensated to do so, but this is a passing league and Smith is not that guy. Rodgers is a stud and Kaepernick could have been, but Smith will never be anything more than a guy who won't get you beat, but can't make the play that gets you the Lombardi trophy either.
Aaron Rodgers is and has been one of the best QBs in the NFL. That's a nice deflection trying to compare him to Alex Smith, but the question is not Alex Smith v Aaron Rogers – it's Alex Smith v Colin Kaepernick.

Kaepernick had a good run while leading a talented 49er team -- the same team with whom Alex Smith was undefeated when he was in charge. But Kaepernick did not take them all the way – witness the incredibly stupid play of throwing right into Richard Sherman's arms from the 2 yard line in that championship game. At crunch time Kaepernick got crunched.

Meanwhile, Alex Smith took a team that went to 2-14 the season before and led them to an 11-6 record the next year. Quite an accomplishment for a mediocre quarterback.

Colin Kaepernick took a team that was 8-8 and led them to a 5-11 season the next year, then 2–14. Quite an accomplishment.

Alex Smith is not an elite quarterback like Rogers or Brady. But he's really good, though gets nothing but disrespect from those dismiss his accomplishments.

Colin Kaepernick was quarterback for a 49ers team that could have and should have beaten everybody. And he failed, over and over.

Oh, and BTW, Smith and the Chiefs beat a healthy Derek Carr and the Raiders twice this season. That's how they won the division.
 

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Aaron Rodgers is and has been one of the best QBs in the NFL. That's a nice deflection trying to compare him to Alex Smith, but the question is not Alex Smith v Aaron Rogers – it's Alex Smith v Colin Kaepernick.

No, the question is about Colin Kaepernick sitting/taking a knee during the national anthem. Your deflection is to make this a "who was better?" comparison between Alex Smith v. Colin Kaepernick. It's not a deflection to compare a ham-and-egger like Smith with a superstar like Rodgers because the 49ers could have--should have--taken Smith over Rodgers.

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Kaepernick had a good run while leading a talented 49er team -- the same team with whom Alex Smith was undefeated when he was in charge. But Kaepernick did not take them all the way – witness the incredibly stupid play of throwing right into Richard Sherman's arms from the 2 yard line in that championship game. At crunch time Kaepernick got crunched.

Meanwhile, Alex Smith took a team that went to 2-14 the season before and led them to an 11-6 record the next year. Quite an accomplishment for a mediocre quarterback.

More like some accomplishment for a mediocre quarterback. What happened to that 11-5 2013 Chiefs team (not 11-6 because they play 16 regular season games in the NFL, not 17) when they got to the playoffs. They lost to the Colts. One-and-done. Bye-bye!

Two years later the Chiefs are back in the playoffs with another 11-5 record. They lost to the Patriots. One and done. Bye-bye, again!

Alex Smith's playoff record is 2-3 with no Super Bowl appearances. Colin Kaepernick's playoff record is 4-2 with a Super Bowl appearance and a 3-pt loss.

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Colin Kaepernick took a team that was 8-8 and led them to a 5-11 season the next year, then 2–14. Quite an accomplishment.

Alex Smith is not an elite quarterback like Rogers or Brady. But he's really good, though gets nothing but disrespect from those dismiss his accomplishments.

Well, there's a reason for that. Smith deserves nothing but disrespect. He had one stellar moment as a 49er. ONE. Beating the Saints in the divisional playoffs with a nifty run to win the game. Yay. Then the next week in the conference championship he got cooked the next week by Eli Manning and the Giants.

Your "really good" quarterback racked up only one complete winning season as the starting quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers. That 13-3 season where he crapped the bed against the Giants. Otherwise, he never threw for 20 tds. In his inaugural season Smith threw one touchdown to 11 interceptions. In 2006, Smith "improved" and threw 16 touchdowns to 16 interceptions.

After seven seasons in the crimson and gold, Smith never made it to the Pro Bowl, never won a conference championship, never threw 20 touchdowns, never took the team to the Super Bowl. If that level of failure and ineptitude is what you call "really good" quarterbacking, your definition differs wildly from mine.

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Colin Kaepernick was quarterback for a 49ers team that could have and should have beaten everybody. And he failed, over and over.

Oh, and BTW, Smith and the Chiefs beat a healthy Derek Carr and the Raiders twice this season. That's how they won the division.

The Chiefs won the division because they have the 7th ranked defense in the NFL while the 49ers have the 32nd. Oh, and BTW, math isn't my strong suit, but when I compare Mr. Kaepernick and Mr. Smith's 2016 seasons, I don't see all that much difference between the two quarterbacks in their performance.

Games played: Smith (15), Kaepernick (12)
Yards: Smith (3,502), Kaepernick (2,241)
TDS: Smith (15), Kaepernick (16)
INT: Smith (8), Kaepernick (4)


In seven seasons with the 49ers, Smith threw 68 touchdowns to 63 interceptions. In five seasons, Kaepernick has thrown 72 touchdowns to 30 interceptions. Seems to me, by any objective measurements, when it comes to who was better as the 49ers quarterback, Kaepernick was better than Smith.

But if you can produce some actual facts to back your opinion it's the other way around, I'd love to see them.
 

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Shoulda, woulda, coulda. With the advantage of hindsight, it's so easy to explain what a team should've done with their draft pick. Many number one picks have flamed out and done nothing. Tom Brady, picked in the sixth round, has done pretty well for himself. Just shows how stupid everyone in the NFL was to not up to snap him up when they had the chance.
I if you can produce some actual facts to back your opinion it's the other way around, I'd love to see them.
i'll give you three facts:

1)Alex Smith was undefeated with the 49ers when he went out with a concussion. He was unceremoniously put on the bench and never given the opportunity to compete for his job -- a job he has been doing quite well.

2) Colin Kaepernick has shown himself to be a loser. He hasn't led his team to victory; he's led them to miserable seasons, and performed dreadfully. Alex Smith has been a winner ever since he went to Kansas City. Kansas City is not a great team, but he's done a fantastic job in making them better than they really are.

3) nobody here cares in the slightest what our opinions about Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick are.
 

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Shoulda, woulda, coulda. With the advantage of hindsight, it's so easy to explain what a team should've done with their draft pick. Many number one picks have flamed out and done nothing. Tom Brady, picked in the sixth round, has done pretty well for himself. Just shows how stupid everyone in the NFL was to not up to snap him up when they had the chance.

Mike Nolan and the Yorks would probably agree with you. It was stupid to pick a scrub like Smith instead of a star like Rodgers. Should have, would have and could have to be sure.

i'll give you three facts:

1)Alex Smith was undefeated with the 49ers when he went out with a concussion. He was unceremoniously put on the bench and never given the opportunity to compete for his job -- a job he has been doing quite well.

As you mentioned, how did Tom Brady get the starting job? The same way Dak Prescott did. Drew Bledsoe, Tony Romo, and Alex Smith got hurt and somebody came in, took their job and never gave it back. There's nothing "unceremoniously" about it. It's just football and if Smith should get hurt again, it could happen again because "doing quite well" isn't the same thing as getting to or winning a Super Bowl. Kaepernick has pulled off half of that equation.

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2) Colin Kaepernick has shown himself to be a loser. He hasn't led his team to victory; he's led them to miserable seasons, and performed dreadfully. Alex Smith has been a winner ever since he went to Kansas City. Kansas City is not a great team, but he's done a fantastic job in making them better than they really are.

That's not remotely a fact and as far as opinions go, it's not even remotely true. Unless you misread my posts in your blind defense of a scrub quarterback, Kaepernick has a better postseason record than Smith. "Fantastic job?" Throwing 15 touchdowns is fantastic? More like Smith is fantastic at handing the ball off and throwing 5-yd slant patterns.

If Kaepernick is a loser, Smith is a super-loser. But not a Super Bowl quarterback. Maybe if the Chefs get by the Steelers and Tom Brady gets his arm broken, that might change. Maybe.

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3) nobody here cares in the slightest what our opinions about Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick are.

Somebody does because they told me they do. :Thumbs:
 

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You're living on past glories, extolling a quarterback who's time is long past. He did a credible job when leading a great team. Pretty much any quarterback could've done the same – don't forget, Alex Smith, leading that same team, was undefeated for nine games.

But let's move up to the present – Kaepernick has had three years to show what he's made of, and not only has he lost, he has performed miserably. In fact, he performed so badly that Blaine Gabbert was put in his place as a desperate attempt to find someone who could at least throw the ball. When that didn't work out, they tried Kaepernick again – and he lost game after game after game.

Since you're so enamored of stats, you might take note that Alex Smith is #11 in quarterback rating; Kaepernick is #23. Smith is a good quarterback, not a great one. Kaepernick is a lousy quarterback, not a good one.

But perhaps you're more enamored of his ability to kneel during the national anthem than you are his actual football ability.

We'll see how Smith and the Chiefs do against the Steelers – I don't think they can win, because the Steelers are a better team.

Then, for comparison you can watch and see how Kaepernick does against – oh wait a minute, that's right. Kaepernick is on an extended vacation, well earned from his stellar play this season.
 

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3) nobody here cares in the slightest what our opinions about Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick are.

Me. I care.

Just sayin', putting aside the knee thing, in comparing performance, you just can't ignore the impact of both good coaching and a good chemistry/fit with the team. Andy Reid is a great coach. Love him or hate him, Big Bill B is a fantastic coach with a good staff and great recruiting. I say that as a Bears fan (really, I can't have any QB discussion without crying)

Anyway, carry on. I'm following from the sidelines.
 

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You're living on past glories, extolling a quarterback who's time is long past. He did a credible job when leading a great team. Pretty much any quarterback could've done the same – don't forget, Alex Smith, leading that same team, was undefeated for nine games.

Don't forget, Alex Smith has a losing record in the playoffs.

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But let's move up to the present – Kaepernick has had three years to show what he's made of, and not only has he lost, he has performed miserably. In fact, he performed so badly that Blaine Gabbert was put in his place as a desperate attempt to find someone who could at least throw the ball. When that didn't work out, they tried Kaepernick again – and he lost game after game after game.

The saying is quarterbacks get too much credit and get too much blame. This is proof of it.

Yeah, Kaepernick has sucked balls for a while, but from the one-sided way you tell it, the 49ers haven't burned through three head coaches in three years. Didn't fire their rotten GM, Trent Baalke who kept wasting draft picks on guys with torn ACLs. Didn't watch their defense collapse when Patrick Willis, Justin Smith and Chris Borland retired. Didn't have Aldon Smith and Ray McDonald and Bruce Miller all self-destruct. Didn't have Vernon Davis (gone to Broncos and Redskins), Michael Crabtree (Raiders), Anquan Bolden (Lions) to throw the ball to. Didn't have an offensive line that lost Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis, and Alex Boones and replace them with human turnstiles as pass rushers flew by them to squash Kaepernick. Didn't have a dysfunctional front office and a team which turned from the NFL's Gold Standard to a toxic waste dump.

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Since you're so enamored of stats, you might take note that Alex Smith is #11 in quarterback rating; Kaepernick is #23. Smith is a good quarterback, not a great one. Kaepernick is a lousy quarterback, not a good one.

The statistics I've provided show Kaepernick was a good quarterback who got hurt, has been crippled with lousy coaching and players on lousy teams. The statistics I've provided have shown Smith was a lousy quarterback with the Niners who threw nearly as many interceptions as he did touchdowns and got lucky to be traded to the Chiefs where he's not good, but he has reached mediocrity.

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But perhaps you're more enamored of his ability to kneel during the national anthem than you are his actual football ability.

Put it this way: I'm not put off by Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem, but the fact him doing so has an ability to piss off people who probably need to be, doesn't make me like him any less.

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We'll see how Smith and the Chiefs do against the Steelers – I don't think they can win, because the Steelers are a better team.

The Chiefs have an excellent chance to beat the Steelers because they're home, they have a kick-ass defense and the better team doesn't always win. Kinda the same way the supposed "better" quarterback doesn't always keep their starting job because they're really not that much better than the guy who took it away from him.

Kinda the same way before Alex Smith was benched before in favor of Colin Kaepernick he got benched in favor of J.T. O'Sullivan. Remember that? Good times, man.

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Then, for comparison you can watch and see how Kaepernick does against – oh wait a minute, that's right. Kaepernick is on an extended vacation, well earned from his stellar play this season.

Which means what? Smith is the 22nd ranked quarterback in 2016. Kaepernick is seven spots behind him at #29. Am I supposed to be impressed because Smith is on a a better team than Kaepernick and therefore he must be a vastly superior quarterback?

Statistics say Smith played more games and threw more interceptions and less touchdowns than Kaepernick. Statistics say Smith finished behind Cousins, Rivers, Flacco, Luck, Palmer, Dalton, Winston, Carr, Bortles, Bradford, Wentz and Newton as guys who didn't make the playoffs (Carr got hurt) but outplayed Smith. Statistics say Smith clearly isn't better than a lot of guys. He's just luckier.

With Justin Houston returning to the fold with a dominant performance, and Dee Ford emerging as a pass-rushing threat while he was away injured, things seem to be looking good for the Chiefs. But the truth is that this team can’t win what they really want – a Super Bowl – with the 2016 version of Alex Smith at quarterback.


Given the beginning to Smith’s career, he has always been seen as something of a letdown. The former No. 1 overall pick was a disaster in his first couple of years in San Francisco, but those years tint the perception of the rest of his career — when he had actually become a passable, above-average starting QB, first for the 49ers and then for Kansas City.


The point, though, is that people love seeing big plays, and if your QB is going to be flawed, fans would rather he be flawed and exciting rather than flawed and dully conservative.


And Alex Smith is as conservative as you can get as a quarterback.

Smith has had the league’s lowest average depth of target in each of the past three seasons, and hasn’t ranked higher than 31st in the league dating back to 2008. He does not, cannot, and will not attack down field in the way everybody wants to see their QB do.


You can win the Super Bowl with flawed QBs. The Denver Broncos are the reigning champions and while their starting QB was named Peyton Manning, his 2016 play far more resembled that of Smith than it did the Manning of his prime. Manning’s grade for that Super Bowl victory was 43.9, which is a lower PFF grade than Ryan Fitzpatrick has this season, and only marginally better than Josh McCown. Smith is at the heady heights of 75.1, and is currently ranked 22nd in the league.


The issue isn’t just that Smith is a flawed passer, but that he has declined in play from his best form. 75.1 represents Smith’s worst season grade since 2010, and a notable drop from his baseline of the past five years. Smith remains flawed, but the flaws are getting worse, and he isn’t offsetting them with as many positive traits as he did in the past.

If the Chiefs can bottle up Le'veon Bell and not let Antonio Brown get deep on them, they may be able to grind out enough points to win a close one. If they can't and Big Ben Roethelisberger has time to crank up his cannon of an arm and hit Brown, the Chiefs cannot win a shoot-out. Not with Smith dinking it down to running backs. He'll have to go up top and then we'll see if he can get the job done and go on to face the Texans or Patriots.

If Smith doesn't he'll be starting his own extended vacation. The Chiefs don't win because of Smith. They win in spite of Smith.
 

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What happened to that 11-5 2013 Chiefs team (not 11-6 because they play 16 regular season games in the NFL, not 17) when they got to the playoffs. They lost to the Colts. One-and-done. Bye-bye!

Two years later the Chiefs are back in the playoffs with another 11-5 record. They lost to the Patriots. One and done. Bye-bye, again!

Alex Smith's playoff record is 2-3 with no Super Bowl appearances. Colin Kaepernick's playoff record is 4-2 with a Super Bowl appearance and a 3-pt loss.

Chiefs lose to Steelers 18-16. Smith goes 20-34, 172 YDS, 1 TD, 1 INT. One and done. Bye-bye, again!

Is it time to replace Alex Smith? The Chiefs have given no indication they’re ready to move on from their starting quarterback of four seasons. But Smith, who turns 33 in May, might have taken the Chiefs as far as he can. He had a career low for a full season with 15 touchdown passes in 2016 as his passing in the red zone was particularly subpar. End-zone interceptions against the Buccaneers and Titans were the key plays in games that wound up as two-point losses. The Chiefs signed veteran Nick Foles last summer. He was drafted by Andy Reid when he coached the Eagles. Foles, who threw 27 touchdown passes with two interceptions for the Eagles in 2013, might be able to take the Chiefs to a place that Smith couldn’t.

Smith's playoff record is now 2-4 with no Super Bowl appearances. Here's a thought. The Chiefs are the Number One landing spot for ex-49er quarterbacks (Smith, Elvis Grbac, some guy named Montana). The 49ers have three quarterbacks who are free agents, Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert and some guy named Kaperdoodle or something? Do they like barbecue?

Could happen. :evil
 
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