AW Amazon Store

If this site is helpful to you,
Please consider a voluntary subscription to defray ongoing expenses.


 

Welcome to the AbsoluteWrite Water Cooler! Please read The Newbie Guide To Absolute Write

Results 1 to 21 of 21

Thread: [Services] Fiverr

  1. #1
    practical experience, FTW Megann's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    193

    [Services] Fiverr

    Not sure if this is the right forum for this or if there already is a thread about this, but I just came across this website called fiverr.com and I could not find a thread about it here on this forum.

    After some digging I realize it's been around for several years, but I had never heard of it before. I checked out the site and it seems that many of the services offered by its users, including writing services and illustration services, are worth a lot more than their asking price. People there are offering work for 5 Euro (it automatically goes to a local version of the site when I visit it) that would take them at least several hours to complete and I noticed quite a few artists from India, Vietnam and Indonesia, for whom this is doubtlessly more value than it would be for someone living in Europe, but still.

    We condemn the clothing industry for the exploitation of its workers oversees. Is this not simply another form of exploitation? Should these services and the art work commissioned not be priced for the actual value offered? Then again how would you go about setting prices fairly? I am not sure it would be even possible.
    I'll be in mourning for the next 4 to 8 years.

  2. #2
    Sophipygian AW Moderator Alessandra Kelley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Chicago, Illinois, USA
    Posts
    14,514
    Those of us in the art world have loathed fiverr for years.

    This is lower than sweatshop work.

  3. #3
    I come in peace Earthling's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Posts
    785
    I stumbled on Fiverr when I was making my website and thought about getting a custom banner. I felt very uncomfortable, for the reasons you bring up, and didn't purchase anything.

    Did I withhold income from someone who really needs it? Should I perhaps have purchased and overpaid (if that's even possible)? I don't know. These things aren't simplistic.

  4. #4
    Moderator AW Moderator Maryn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    I did not shoot the deputy
    Posts
    40,542
    I've heard of people who hired work through Fiverr and were satisfied making private arrangements to pay what they believe it was worth. The one I'm thinking of was cover art for a self-published novella, and the author paid the artist an extra eighty dollars and still considered it a bargain. I don't know if that violates the terms of service, so I'll just stop there.
    "I've never had to fake sarcasm."

    Brick by Brick, a ménage à trois novel (soon to be re-released)
    Taming the Wilde, FemDom spotted--and striped--in the wild
    Men in Love, anthology about--hey, you're already there, aren't you?
    Maryn Says, an irregular blog almost never about writing
    The Occasional Tweet

  5. #5
    Herder of Hamsters AW Admin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    On the Server
    Posts
    13,332
    I'm moving this to Bewares.

    Hang on to the side rails please.

  6. #6
    Your Genial Uncle Absolute Sage James D. Macdonald's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Posts
    25,566
    This has been discussed in Roundtable, a few years back, when it came out that some authors were buying dozens, if not hundreds, of favorable reviews on Amazon over at Fiverr. (This violates Amazon's terms of service, among other things, but it still happened, and, for all I know, is still happening.)

  7. #7
    practical experience, FTW Megann's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    193
    It's pretty scary if people buy their reviews over a site like Fiverr. The way it is set-up I can see that happening. It's almost like such a system invites abuse.
    I'll be in mourning for the next 4 to 8 years.

  8. #8
    Christine Tripp ctripp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Ottawa, Ontario Canada
    Posts
    436
    Yep, you can buy reviews, testimonials, Illustration, ghost writing, editing, it's a one stop shop for self publishing... and usually it shows!!!

    Elance was another of these kinds of places, with a bit of a difference. A self pub Writer could set up an account and post a job, say a 32 page pic book, and receive bids. Mostly the jobs would be awarded to the lowest bid, most of those coming from places like India (groups of Illustrators in an office space, on computers using PS, doing copy/pasting, using bucket fill colour) It commonly is run like a factory assembly line, to make the bid of say $200 to $300 US for 14 spreads, 2 singles and a cover financially feasible.

    To answer the question, yes, it's exploitation. Big business does it all the time, justifying it as giving work to these poor people, where otherwise they would starve in the streets, it helps them sleep at night I suppose. But the bottom line is it's just dirt cheap compared to labour and safety laws in developed Countries

    For the writers, who don't consider Illustration in a pic book important anyway, it's cheap, done fast and they own all the rights to it!
    (cranky about fiverr much... who, me?

  9. #9
    Perpetually in transit Helix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Far North Queensland
    Posts
    6,306
    There's also Fourerr

    I won't link to it, but stick a .com at the end of the above if you want to have a look.


  10. #10
    practical experience, FTW NateSean's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Salem, MA
    Posts
    795
    My one major grievance with Fiverr (aside from the fact that I can't do my tarot readings with Fiverr anymore) is that people add a lot of extra charges to some of their projects.

    In my mind it's like this: The website says Fiverr. Not 5$ and a thousand dollars worth of hidden charges. Someone mentioned sweatshops earlier, except that no one is feeding their family with a Fiverr project and if they are, call CPS. If you need more money for your skill, don't offer to do it for five dollars, plain and simple.
    Here's my Wattpad. It's what I'm working on for now.
    Nathanielle Crawford

  11. #11
    New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    14
    The art you get from fiverr is worth about 5 bucks, maybe less. Also, not all the stuff you see being offered is really 5bucks. Lots of gigs are like, I'll draw you a sketch for $5, if you want it turned into a proper illustration it will cost you $100

  12. #12
    Sophipygian AW Moderator Alessandra Kelley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Chicago, Illinois, USA
    Posts
    14,514
    Apparently a lot of the art on fiverr is plagiarized from other work, which can cause serious problems for the clients down the line if the true copyright holders track them down.

  13. #13
    Still confused by shoelaces Once!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Godalming, England
    Posts
    2,957
    Hmmm. It depends. A lot of the gigs on fiverr are ... shall we say? ... a little dodgy. You get what you pay for, which could be someone working for sweatshop wages in a country with lower standards of living and/or something of dubious quality. Or the gig might cost more than a fiverr by the time that you have added in the extras that you really need. Or it might be a dubious fake review sort of deal.

    But there can also be a case for fiverr being worthwhile if the people providing the gig have knowledge and experience that you don't. A graphics design studio can produce a reasonable quality cover in a matter of minutes, especially if you supply a cover image and all the text to go with it. It won't be as good as a properly designed cover, but it would be better than an amateur could produce on their own.

    I am a firm believer than an expert can do something in seconds which a novice would take hours to do, and not do so well.

    Fiverr, when used right, can be useful.

  14. #14
    practical experience, FTW akaria's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn represent!
    Posts
    575
    I've used a handful of book promoters on Fiverr. They've produced minimal results and aren't worth the five dollars.
    Last edited by akaria; 09-24-2016 at 08:59 PM.
    Pre-Order Other Worlds, a Sci-Fi Romance & Paranormal Romance Box Set

    I tweet!
    Blog

    Goodreads Amazon Kobo
    Nook Apple Google Play



  15. #15
    Grr. Argh. Thedrellum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Houston, Texas
    Posts
    786
    I am a firm believer than an expert can do something in seconds which a novice would take hours to do, and not do so well.
    But this is why you are paying them more than five dollars. You're not actually paying for time, you're paying for the experience and expertise.

  16. #16
    from words to worlds zmethos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    California
    Posts
    290
    In at least a couple of the sessions at Writer's Digest Conference I heard Fiverr mentioned as a place to get business cards and covers, both from attendees and panelists (and I found myself shaking my head and thinking No! Don't tell them that! just as a gut reaction)... Yet did not see any examples of Fiverr work for either so can't speak to the quality.

  17. #17
    Sophipygian AW Moderator Alessandra Kelley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Chicago, Illinois, USA
    Posts
    14,514
    Quote Originally Posted by Once! View Post
    But there can also be a case for fiverr being worthwhile if the people providing the gig have knowledge and experience that you don't. A graphics design studio can produce a reasonable quality cover in a matter of minutes, especially if you supply a cover image and all the text to go with it. It won't be as good as a properly designed cover, but it would be better than an amateur could produce on their own.

    I am a firm believer than an expert can do something in seconds which a novice would take hours to do, and not do so well.

    Fiverr, when used right, can be useful.
    This is terrible advice. It relies entirely on winning the random-stranger-on-the-internet-is-actually-Michelangelo lottery.

    And even if one were to somehow luck into a Michelangelo instead of one of the vast crowds of novices and amateurs who swamp the Internet, the process is far more complex and time-consuming than described here.

    It would be impossible to get an expert to design a good, personalized cover for $5.

    Anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or dishonest.

  18. #18
    practical experience, FTW Anarchic Q's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    675
    Slightly related, Mike J just started a new series where he uses 5 people on Fivver to do things for him.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/MikeJtvmusic/video

    There's only 2 episodes so far, and the first one, "Shameless Self Promo" yielded, IMO horrible results. They just say "MikeJTVMusic". None of them say if it's a Twitter name, or a Youtube channel, or a band, or an album, or a Tumblr, or a Twitch channel or a Tinder account! Maybe he overlooked that in the brief he gave them, but it stuck out to me.
    Last edited by Anarchic Q; 09-25-2016 at 01:40 AM.
    Do Not Tamper With - My Writing, Art & Reviews Blog
    Wheelchair Seating for the Apocalypse - A horror short story by Q. Published on Spinetingler Magazine.
    Re-Invention - A sci-fi short story by Q. Printed in Make Something Magazine.
    GoodReads

  19. #19
    Heckuva good sport frimble3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    west coast, canada
    Posts
    5,181
    And for a fiver, they're not going to bother going back and forth, asking questions for clarification, are they? (If they even thought considered it: "Here, random stranger, this is what you asked for, take it and give me my money!")

  20. #20
    practical experience, FTW Megann's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    193
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchic Q View Post
    Slightly related, Mike J just started a new series where he uses 5 people on Fivver to do things for him.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/MikeJtvmusic/video

    There's only 2 episodes so far, and the first one, "Shameless Self Promo" yielded, IMO horrible results. They just say "MikeJTVMusic". None of them say if it's a Twitter name, or a Youtube channel, or a band, or an album, or a Tumblr, or a Twitch channel or a Tinder account! Maybe he overlooked that in the brief he gave them, but it stuck out to me.
    I must say that it is where I first found out about Fiverr. I usually like Mike J's videos, but this series puzzles me.

  21. #21
    Christine Tripp ctripp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Ottawa, Ontario Canada
    Posts
    436
    I am a firm believer than an expert can do something in seconds which a novice would take hours to do
    Of course, that's why an Electrician can install a plug in minutes... but he's going to charge you for the full hour and guarantee the wiring is done right and works!
    "Expert" is the key word in that sentence and that expertise is what you pay for, not just the time it takes to complete a task.

    Helix, I am not going to look up "4er", I'm already cranky enough about "5er"

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Custom Search