From a humanity standpoint, I do - for both of them.And from a liability standpoint, do you really want the shooter to be rendering aid to the person they just shot?
From a humanity standpoint, I do - for both of them.And from a liability standpoint, do you really want the shooter to be rendering aid to the person they just shot?
And from a liability standpoint, do you really want the shooter to be rendering aid to the person they just shot?
And from a liability standpoint, do you really want the shooter to be rendering aid to the person they just shot?
Sorry, Bob. Won't agree with you on this one. The harm was already done. Saying police should not render aid in that situation doesn't fit with recommended protocol.
NT, I always agree with your posts. But I don't agree with this one. You can't convince me that these "protests" are a good idea.
Alpha Echo said:Sounds to me like a protest is in direct response to something. These people are protesting then against the store owners and employees and other innocent people for what? There is a state of emergency in Charlotte. People are being asked to not leave their homes because it is too dangerous. Dangerous because their own neighbors - not terrorists, but their neighbors - are running around in the streets demonstrating violence.
I have been just as outraged as you with what's happening. But this isn't the way to respond. I don't know the answer, but I know this can't be it.
Why? They did render aid. It took them about a minute and a half, but they did. At least two of them brought aid bags, then at least one put his away.
cmhbob said:They cleared the car first (2 of them walking around the car), then checked themselves out (when they backed away), then secured the scene (moving the one cruiser), then began rendering what aid they could. EMSA was on the scene within 4 minutes, which is half the standard response time.
“If you see someone as human, as someone who is susceptible to pain, if you view their humanity the same as yours, you’re going to try to find a way to help,” said Rashad Robinson, the executive director of the civil rights group Color of Change. “You’re going to try to get them medical attention.”
The lack of medical attention to those shot by police has been a central grievance in protests over police shootings of black people over the last two years. But, policing experts note, while best practices dictate that aid should be provided as soon as officers no longer feel they are facing a threat of violence, officers’ judgment of when that is the case — especially in the moments after a violent incident — are likely to differ from that of the public.
“People have a belief, and it’s a justifiable belief, that the officers should go from a tactical situation to a medical situation very quickly,” said Jim Bueermann, a retired police chief and president of the Police Foundation, a national police research organization.
In New York, officers listened to Eric Garner declare “I can’t breathe” 11 times before he died on a Staten Island sidewalk. In Cleveland, residents were outraged that video showed that more than four minutes elapsed before anyone attempted to aid 12-year-old Tamir Rice after he was shot by an officer. And in Falcon Heights, Minn., earlier this year, Philando Castile could be seen in the live video broadcast by his girlfriend writhing in pain as he bled out after being shot by an officer. The video shows Officer Jeronimo Yanez, seemingly in shock after having just shot Castile, providing no medical response.
“I’m not sure that this is completely anchored in the culture of policing yet, but once a shooting occurs and the officers are safe they should be administering emergency first aid as fast as they can,” Bueermann said.
“When they don’t do this, or when officers leave a wounded or dead person uncovered on the ground, as they did in Ferguson, it inflames people,” he said. “People go: This shooting may have been justified, but that person is no longer a threat so they should be helping him.”
cmhbob said:And from a liability standpoint, do you really want the shooter to be rendering aid to the person they just shot?
I maybe talking about things I know nothing of, but as to the how and why of it, I'd humbly submit The Wire into evidence. It seems like a number of police officers no longer exist as agents of society and members of the community, sworn to serve and protect; now they're an occupying force that doesn't quite speak the language and exists primarily to protect certain interests and put down anything resembling disorder.
To be fair, she wasn't the one who said "Bad dude." That came from the observer or pilot in the police helicopter. (See the label top center of the video).
That's not a perfect generalization for this case, but it does fit to some extent.The Taser generation as they are also called. They have been so ingrained not to fight in schools etc., that they will not go hands on with bad guys. When the Taser fails, and they won’t fight or don’t know how to because they were never allowed, then they have one last backup and that’s a firearm.
Sobering thought: An entire generation of cops from the suburbs who have never fought anyone in any real capacity outside of a training environment being put out into the real world with a bunch of people whose pecking order depends on who can fight and who can’t.
Yep. Those worlds are going to collide.
He said the jury felt “at least somewhat” that what Shelby did was wrong, but they all agreed it didn’t meet the criteria to convict under first-degree manslaughter.
“We all kind of felt that maybe the law wasn’t that good,” he said.
“I talked to one juror about how unhappy we were with the system and how it’s kind of broken, and what could we do about it,” he said. ”
I get that there's no easy answer, and that cops face a lot of danger.
Why turn to violence?