M/M erotica. Am I shooting myself in the foot?

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A couple of years ago I stumbled upon my first M/M erotic romance and I was hooked. I've since found it's a big part of what I write and just about all I really crave to write these days. My question, for those of you who know anything about it or who write M/M erotica yourself--is there a market for it? Am I wasting my time? So far I've struggled to get beta readers, as it seems not a lot of beta readers I've come across are willing to read M/M sex scenes. I wonder if I'm writing in a genre that's still too small to give me much chance at being published. Have any of you struggled getting M/M erotica beta read/published/etc based on the genre? Any advice on this topic would be greatly appreciated.
 

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It sells quite well, to my knowledge. Look at the major erotica and erotic romance publishers. They sort their titles by hetero, M/M, and other subcategories. You'd serve yourself well to seek recommendations or best-sellers in the subgenre you write in, from both trade- and self-published authors. This not only gives you great reading material (yippee!) but also lets you scope the competition.

My own preference, which is most certainly not shared by all, is that I beta read only for people I feel I know pretty well, who've been active and generally pleasant enough for a minimum of several months. Beta reading well is a task of many hours and I won't do it for strangers I don't trust to pass the favor forward and beta read for others.

I do know that among the erotica authors here, there are numerous beta-reading arrangements they've made in private. Somebody's book will come out, and someone else will say on Twitter or Facebook that they read it in developmental stages, or something along those lines. Some people are friends doing favors, some are just in tune with each other as writers, and some are relative strangers who like to help a fellow writer out.

So stick around, join in the boards, both writerly and social, and soon enough you'll probably have much less trouble finding betas for your M/M. Oh, and once you have sufficient posts, it's smart to put up a story or an opening in Share Your Work - Erotica so others can get a feel for your work.

Maryn, who stopped cleaning the basement just to write this, so thank you!
 

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A couple of years ago I stumbled upon my first M/M erotic romance and I was hooked. I've since found it's a big part of what I write and just about all I really crave to write these days. My question, for those of you who know anything about it or who write M/M erotica yourself--is there a market for it? Am I wasting my time? So far I've struggled to get beta readers, as it seems not a lot of beta readers I've come across are willing to read M/M sex scenes. I wonder if I'm writing in a genre that's still too small to give me much chance at being published. Have any of you struggled getting M/M erotica beta read/published/etc based on the genre? Any advice on this topic would be greatly appreciated.

I'm going to make a guess that what you're really talking about is M/M Romance, which can be chock full o' graphic sex and still not be classified as erotica, whether the romance is further classified as "erotic" not. In other words, a book classified as "erotic romance" will carry all the standard romance tropes plus it will guarantee lots of on-screen smexing. A book classified as romance may or may not have fully-realized, scorching-hot sex scenes--but then again, it may.

There's a substantial difference between romance and erotica, and it'll save you a lot of grief later if you're able to make the distinction before submitting any work to a publisher or self-publishing. Romance requires certain beats and tropes, along with a happily-ever-after (HEA) ending or at least a happy-for-now (HFN) ending. Erotica requires neither, and is more about the sexual journey than the romantic/relationship journey. I advise doing some research on the topic. There are plenty of threads right here on AW, as a start.
 

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I'm going to make a guess that what you're really talking about is M/M Romance, which can be chock full o' graphic sex and still not be classified as erotica

Thanks--I guess maybe I need to research this better. I thought I knew the difference, but maybe I don't. I'll look into it and make sure I know which category my writing falls under.

Do you want to write erotica? Like, have you already decided, and you're just trying to figure out what gender your characters should be?

This is a good question. Let me answer it like this--I want to write whatever it is I'm writing, regardless of the genre. I think what I'm writing is erotica, but maybe it's erotic romance. Either way, it's M/M and therefore, has a slimmer audience (in my experience so far). I'm just trying to figure out if M/M romances or erotica (either one, frankly) give people problems when searching for beta readers and publishers. I enjoy writing what I write and don't imagine changing, I'm just trying to get a sense from people of the difficulties they've faced working in this genre, if any.
 

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This is a good question. Let me answer it like this--I want to write whatever it is I'm writing, regardless of the genre. I think what I'm writing is erotica, but maybe it's erotic romance. Either way, it's M/M and therefore, has a slimmer audience (in my experience so far). I'm just trying to figure out if M/M romances or erotica (either one, frankly) give people problems when searching for beta readers and publishers. I enjoy writing what I write and don't imagine changing, I'm just trying to get a sense from people of the difficulties they've faced working in this genre, if any.

There's definitely a market and publishers for M/M erotica or romance (see my signature). Larger publishers are also starting to catch on to the idea that gay romances are actually marketable. Penguin Intermix recently published the Captive Prince series for example. There are a few publishers who specialise in LGBT+ fiction, such as Dreamspinner Press (gay romance only apart from their YA imprint) and Riptide Publishing.

While looking for publishers I highly recommend the Bewares and Background Checks subforum on this site. As with all genres there are good and bad publishers.
 

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As far as I can tell, its big in the romance market but hasn't hit "mainstream" yet. You won't find M/M books on supermarket shelves and the like. Hopefully soon though.
 

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I have seen pictures of M/M romance novels in brick and mortar stores before, though. Perhaps it's not too far off we'll see them in supermarkets. :)
 

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Penguin Intermix recently published the Captive Prince series for example.

Just a note: Captive Prince was published by Berkley Romance in trade paperback. They're part of Penguin, as in InterMix (which is the digital first imprint of Berkley). Intermix does publish quite a bit of m/m (I'm one of their m/m authors) but the thing with Captive Prince is that it *wasn't* digital first--it had a print run and was shelved straight into the romance section of chain bookstores by a big-5 pub.
 

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To be honest, I thought your question was funny. I mean, I don't know the publishers, the agents, the betas... for any genre. But what I do know, is that the genre is very well supplied (I'm saying this to encourage, not discourage adding your share), because the demand for hot guys on hot guys is huge.
 

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the demand for hot guys on hot guys is huge.

That's what I thought, but then, what do I know? I was curious about it because I was under the impression the M/M genre(s) was/is growing rapidly, but then started getting discouraged when it seemed like the only M/M books I could find were on Amazon and most of those looked self-published. Sounds like I have nothing to worry about beyond my own writing ability. :D
 

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There's a market for it, for sure! :) (Says this MxM /slash fan)

Just keep on writing, and do your best work. :) Wishing you the best of luck with the project.
 
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That's what I thought, but then, what do I know? I was curious about it because I was under the impression the M/M genre(s) was/is growing rapidly, but then started getting discouraged when it seemed like the only M/M books I could find were on Amazon and most of those looked self-published. Sounds like I have nothing to worry about beyond my own writing ability. :D

A lot of those self-published books might be authors who've been in the genre for 5+ years and have decided to walk away from their publishers. They've either continued to publish under their original pen name, or have taken on a new one. There's a lot of that going on right now in the genre, too.