Even Jimmy Carter dislikes Hillary Clinton

Alessandra Kelley · Jul 12, 2016

Myrealana said:
Alessandra Kelley said:

I think a reasonable argment could be made for President Carter being fairly honest and ethical.

In real life, that is, not in fictitious quotes.

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He has been an utterly fantastic ex-President. He set a shining example that anyone could be proud of.

Possibly our best retired President after John Quincy Adams.

CassandraW · Jul 12, 2016

80 degrees and sunny here.

Ari Meermans · Jul 12, 2016

80 degrees sounds lovely, too. *sigh*

Diana Hignutt · Jul 12, 2016

Alessandra Kelley said:
That's a real, and serious problem.

If Hillary Clinton ever actually does anything seriously wrong, there is already such a pile of decades of fraudulent garbage accusations that it will be very difficult to hear or even notice genuine ones.

If? Every president does shady stuff. It's part of the job.

Alessandra Kelley · Jul 12, 2016

Diana Hignutt said:
If? Every president does shady stuff. It's part of the job.

I could have said "when". Thanks to decades of disreputable witch-hunts anything in that direction will be that much more difficult to spot.

Diana Hignutt · Jul 12, 2016

Alessandra Kelley said:
I could have said "when". Thanks to decades of disreputable witch-hunts anything in that direction will be that much more difficult to spot.

I think we're in Nixon Country nowadays: "If the President does it, it's not illegal." Of course, they're will be witch hunts. There are always witch hunts. I wouldn't have minded some witch hunts of Bush and Cheney though, that's for sure.

Hillary will be fine. Maybe we can get her somebody a little better to run the White House servers though?

Alessandra Kelley · Jul 12, 2016

Diana Hignutt said:
I think we're in Nixon Country nowadays: "If the President does it, it's not illegal." Of course, they're will be witch hunts. There are always witch hunts. I wouldn't have minded some witch hunts of Bush and Cheney though, that's for sure.

Do you think that applies to President Obama?

He seems far more ethical in the office than anyone in living memory outside of President Carter.

I mean yeah, he's not perfect and he has made some very questionable decisions.

But my gods, has no one noticed how relatively scandal-free his administration had been, especially compared to his dismal predecessor?

Diana Hignutt · Jul 12, 2016

Alessandra Kelley said:
Do you think that applies to President Obama?

He seems far more ethical in the office than anyone in living memory outside of President Carter.

I mean yeah, he's not perfect and he has made some very questionable decisions.

But my gods, has no one noticed how relatively scandal-free his administration had been, especially compared to his dismal predecessor?

With Obama you have lack of transparency and a crackdown on whistleblowers, droning too many civilians, and maybe spending too much money on vacation, but you're right he's pretty clean, and that has been a pleasant change.

James D. Macdonald · Jul 12, 2016

Alessandra Kelley said:
Possibly our best retired President after John Quincy Adams.

John Quincy Adams had his own scandals in office, starting with the "Bargain and Sale." (Note on that: in 1824 neither Adams nor Jackson had enough Electoral votes to become president (although Jackson had a plurality of both popular votes and electoral votes). So the election went to the House, where the Speaker of the House, Henry Clay, made sure the vote came out for Adams. After which Adams named Clay to be Secretary of State. Both of them swearing* afterwards that there had been no quid-pro-quo.)

*Literally.

Alessandra Kelley · Jul 12, 2016

James D. Macdonald said:
John Quincy Adams had his own scandals in office, starting with the "Bargain and Sale." (Note on that: in 1824 neither Adams nor Jackson had enough Electoral votes to become president (although Jackson had a plurality of both popular votes and electoral votes). So the election went to the House, where the Speaker of the House, Henry Clay, made sure the vote came out for Adams. After which Adams named Clay to be Secretary of State. Both of them swearing* afterwards that there had been no quid-pro-quo.)

*Literally.

True enough. I was talking of his retirement specifically, although I was unclear about it. John Quincy Adams had in my opinion one of the best after-Presidency careers of anyone to hold the office.

James D. Macdonald · Jul 12, 2016

Alessandra Kelley said:
True enough. I was talking of his retirement specifically, although I was unclear about it. John Quincy Adams had in my opinion one of the best after-Presidency careers of anyone to hold the office.

To the list of fine after-presidency careers, I have to add William Howard Taft.

Roxxsmom · Jul 12, 2016

James D. Macdonald said:
To the list of fine after-presidency careers, I have to add William Howard Taft.

I have this idle fantasy about Clinton winning and appointing Obama to the supreme court, which would be the ultimate "FU" to congress for rejecting the moderate, mild-mannered Garland. Lots of reasons why this is unlikely, of course, but one can always dream...

Alessandra Kelley · Jul 12, 2016

Roxxsmom said:
I have this idle fantasy about Clinton winning and appointing Obama to the supreme court, which would be the ultimate "FU" to congress for rejecting the moderate, mild-mannered Garland. Lots of reasons why this is unlikely, of course, but one can always dream...

Oh dear, can you imagine the conspiracy theories?

James D. Macdonald · Jul 12, 2016

Alessandra Kelley said:
Oh dear, can you imagine the conspiracy theories?

It makes me smile....

nighttimer · Jul 12, 2016

Alessandra Kelley said:
Do you think that applies to President Obama?

He seems far more ethical in the office than anyone in living memory outside of President Carter.

I mean yeah, he's not perfect and he has made some very questionable decisions.

But my gods, has no one noticed how relatively scandal-free his administration had been, especially compared to his dismal predecessor?

I have, but then I only voted for the guy because he's Black, so I'm hardly impartial.

Diana Hignutt said:
With Obama you have lack of transparency and a crackdown on whistleblowers, droning too many civilians, and maybe spending too much money on vacation, but you're right he's pretty clean, and that has been a pleasant change.

Speaking of change, Obama has left plenty of it in the taxpayer's pockets when it comes to taking vacations:

The first family's Christmas vacation to Hawaii in 2013 may have cost about $8 million. Of that total, at least $316,000 was for the Secret Service.

That's according to documents obtained by the right-leaning watchdog group, Judicial Watch. The Obamas spent 17 days in Hawaii between December 2013 and January 2014.

But the real cost is from Air Force One. It costs more than $210,000 per hour to operate the plane, and the Hawaii trip took 36.9 hours of flight. That adds up to more than $7.7 million dollars.

It's hard to tell for sure how Obama's vacation compares to the costs of others presidents' vacations. We can compare the amount of time spent on vacations among presidents, though.

As of December 2014, Obama had taken 161 vacation days. At the same point in their second terms George W. Bush had taken 405, Bill Clinton had taken 174 and Ronald Reagan had 390.

While it might be cheaper if the Prez packed the family up in the mobile home and trucked across the highway next time he wanted a vacation, Obama has been a workhorse compared to Dutch and Dubya when it comes to time off. If you want to ding Obama for not being a Model Chief Executive, you're gonna need a better example than that.

Tazlima · Jul 12, 2016

As of December 2014, Obama had taken 161 vacation days. At the same point in their second terms George W. Bush had taken 405, Bill Clinton had taken 174 and Ronald Reagan had 390.

Seriously? Okay, I wanna be president. As of December 2014, I've taken 7 vacation days, and that was a record high for me.

...*sigh* I need a break.

ETA: It might depend on how they define "vacation day" though. Do weekends count into that number? I get weekends now, so I might match Obama.

StuToYou · Jul 12, 2016

nighttimer said:
While it might be cheaper if the Prez packed the family up in the mobile home and trucked across the highway next time he wanted a vacation, Obama has been a workhorse compared to Dutch and Dubya when it comes to time off. If you want to ding Obama for not being a Model Chief Executive, you're gonna need a better example than that.

Yeah, gonna have to agree with that.
Lies, damn lies, and surface data (statistics)

StuToYou · Jul 12, 2016

Tell you one thing, it's gonna be a sad, sad day, certainly in Europe, when Obama is not President. I mean Hillary is not the worst, but she aint no Barack.

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Tazlima · Jul 12, 2016

StuToYou said:
Tell you one thing, it's gonna be a sad, sad day, certainly in Europe, when Obama is not President. I mean Hillary is not the worst, but she aint no Barack.

Agreed. He's going to be on heckuva tough act to follow.

StuToYou · Jul 12, 2016

Alessandra Kelley said:
Oh dear, can you imagine the conspiracy theories?

James D. Macdonald said:
It makes me smile....

It was suggested, and Hillary expressed enthusiasm, but nah.... Obama is heading for big things. Reckon he'll be warmly received outside of the US. Maye some sort of special ambassador/ UN member role? Can't see him retiring into oblivion...

Diana Hignutt · Jul 12, 2016

In my defense, I did say "maybe" there, NT. And personally Obama is almost certainly going down as my favorite president during my life time.

Reservoir Angel · Jul 12, 2016

StuToYou said:
Tell you one thing, it's gonna be a sad, sad day, certainly in Europe, when Obama is not President. I mean Hillary is not the worst, but she aint no Barack.

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I can say definitively that I'm going to miss the hell out of him when he's not around any more. I would say he's easily my favourite President in my lifetime but I've only been alive for him, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and like half a year of George H. W. Bush.

He's definitely my 2nd favourite President, only beaten because of my soft spot for LBJ.

AW Admin · Jul 12, 2016

Jimmy Carter didn't say that.

See: http://www.snopes.com/jimmy-carter-woman-president-quote/

Even Jimmy Carter dislikes Hillary Clinton

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