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Thread: Again. Shot Dead While (apparently) Reaching For License as Instructed

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    Again. Shot Dead While (apparently) Reaching For License as Instructed

    The incident isn't on video this time -- the direct aftermath is. A cop pulls over a car driven by a black man for a broken tail light. His girlfriend and their four-year-old daughter were also in the car.

    According to the gf, the cop came to the window, asked for the driver's license, as you do. She says her bf informed the cop he was carrying a firearm (as you're supposed to), and reached for his wallet (as you do), in his pocket. So, naturally, the cop shot him four times. The woman then starts livestreaming what's happening.

    The cop keeps his weapon trained on the car's occupants, visibly, as the guy lays there, slipping out of consciousness, and the gf says things like 'you told him to get his license, sir.'

    The cop says he told him not to reach for it, presumably meaning the gun. There's confusion here (at least for me, from what I'm reading, as to whether his hand was reaching for his wallet, as instructed, or he was following the instruction to stop reaching and his hand was coming back UP, also as instructed, when he was shot) but neither way is really understandable to me.

    If this went the way it sounds like it did (and I have no idea what happened before the camera turned on), I don't quite understand the thought process behind 'person I have stopped and asked for a license just told me, as is proper, that he is carrying a firearm. He's reaching [for it?] so I'd better shoot him a lot.' Like, why, exactly, would he tell you, if he was going to pull the gun on you? He's a Bond villain who likes to lay out the plot? This trigger-happy shit has to stop.

    I get traffic stops are fraught. I don't get someone is cooperative, compliant and volunteering information, so the response is to shoot him a lot and then just stand there. It reminds me of the cop killed the guy in the stairwell in the Pink Houses in NYC and then just kind of stood there, didn't get help, didn't offer first aid, nothing.

    Story here - with video.

    Reynolds says ... that Castile was licensed to carry a weapon and told the officer he had a firearm as he reached for his wallet and ID. 'And the officer just shot him in his arm,' she says.
    'Ma'am, keep your hands where they are,' the cop says, sounding panicked. He then appears to shout 'F***!'

    'He just shot his arm off,' says Reynolds, maintaining her calm.
    'I told him not to reach for it!' the cop screams, sounding close to tears. 'I told him to get his hand open!'
    'You told him to get his ID, sir, you told him to get his driver's license,' she says. And suddenly the reality seems to hit her, as Castile appears to stop moving.
    'Oh god, don't tell me he's dead,' she says. 'Please don't tell me my boyfriend just went like that... please don't tell me that he's gone.'
    He was dead. Cops then had her exit the car walking backwards toward them, got her down and handcuffed her. Obviously.

    A local story.

    Friends at the scene identified the man as Philando Castile, 32, cafeteria supervisor at J.J. Hill Montessori School in St. Paul...

    The girlfriend said on the video that the officer “asked him for license and registration. He told him that it was in his wallet, but he had a pistol on him because he’s licensed to carry. The officer said don’t move. As he was putting his hands back up, the officer shot him in the arm four or five times.
    Friends at the scene identified the man as Philando Castile, 32, cafeteria supervisor at J.J. Hill Montessori School in St. Paul.

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