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    Snow Leopard Publishing / Allegiant Publishing Group

    Some people I follow on Twitter seemed excited about this publisher, so I started following them as well. Now I'm wondering what all the fuss was about. Maybe it was because they promote themselves as "The Next Wave in Indie Publishing." But when I visited their website, I thought "Meh." Not a scam, and well-intentioned, but what makes them the "next wave"? I came here to see if there was a thread and decided to start one in case anyone else looks them up.

    On the website, they advertise themselves as "Letting Indie Authors Have The Time To Do What They Do Best... WRITE!" But some of their covers are hideous (others are quite decent), and even good reviews of their books on Amazon mention bad grammar and bad editing (such as misusing "you're" and "your"). So far, all of their eBooks seem to be available on Kindle Unlimited, which is not a good fit for all authors. Also, their FAQ makes me wonder how little they know about publishing. For example, they accept reprints but warn "Keep in mind, however, that in many ways republishing a book is more difficult than publishing it originally since most of the "easy sales" (those to friends and family) have already been made." Uhm...What? They also take all genres (except erotica), and no publisher can specialize in all genres. Some of the text clearly comes from boilerplate text -- for example, "Perishable goods such as food, flowers, newspapers or magazines cannot be returned. We also do not accept products that are intimate or sanitary goods, hazardous materials, or flammable liquids or gases." Uhm...

    On the other hand, they say that it can take up to six months to hear back from them, so they do seem to be making an effort, rather than doing like some companies and accepting everything. On the other hand, why wait up to six months to hear back from a publisher with bad editing, sometimes awful covers, and so-so marketing and sales.? I know everyone has to start somewhere, but there are also better places to start.

    They're a subsidiary of Allegiant Publishing Group (here is something about their executives), and also have sister imprints, Wizards Keep Publishing and Centum Press. But why would you need "sister imprints" if you take all genres? Their marketing guy was previously with Helm Publishing -- here is our thread on that and with Something or Other Publishing.
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    The variables available from their "Pick Your Own Contract Program" made my eyes cross. And then their PAP Program Contracts (scroll down to see those) made my eyes roll back in my head so far that I swear I saw grey matter.

    The PAP contracts essentially mean that Snow Leopard will pay you higher royalties if you cough up money in advance ($7.50 per 1k words gets you 15% royalties in lieu of their usual 10% in one model; $14 per 1k gets you 20% in the upsell version). About these plans, Snow Leopard sez:

    These investments allow us to work with more authors than we would be able to otherwise and deliver much better service. We know there are many great writers out there with huge potential, but some of them just need that little extra help and development to reach their potential. PAP funds help us to help them so theat they aren't just left out in the cold with a pile of rejection letters. Let's just say we are always looking for that diamond in the rough! Many authors that join the PAP program will make back their investment and then some, all while helping another writer grow and develop their craft.


    So in other words, give us some working capital that we can spend however we see fit, and there's a snowball's chance in hell that you'll make that money back in royalties. It's basically vanity publishing wearing an adorable woolly suit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsmig View Post
    So in other words, give us some working capital that we can spend however we see fit, and there's a snowball's chance in hell that you'll make that money back in royalties. It's basically vanity publishing wearing an adorable woolly suit.
    Oh, ugh. I guess Snow Leopards can't change their spots, either.

    On the plus side, they don't have a lot of authors. But that will change -- I saw more books on their website than on Amazon.
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    Two of their editors favorited my tweet at #PitMad, but I've never heard of them. Steering clear. Doesn't sound like a publisher I'd want to be involved with.
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