To leave cat hide-out open or block it?

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Short situation sketch: we have three cats: Traumacat, Neurocat and Rather Normal Cat.

Traumacat is a small female, 14 years old. She suffered a trauma when she was a kitten (we were told a dog attack) and frankly never got over it. She had an eye infection and ear infection when she came to us and the fact that we had to manually medicate her didn't help matters and for eight following years she despised and feared physical contact. Due to family dynamics we left her pretty much to herself. After that she out of a blue realised petting was cool and now will come for stroking, at an extended arm's distance. But no more. She lives and eats upstairs and only comes outside on the balcony.

Traumacat does not get along well with the other two, male cats. Neurocat out-right attacks her and Rather Normal Cat mostly like to chase her for play since she will always, always run. When Neurocat chases her she often pees in fright and it will always end in a fight with flying fur. In the beginning she wouldn't be seen for the rest of the day after an attack, but now she will come out far quicker. Therefor, Neurocat is banned from her rooms but he's sneaky. Rather Normal Cat is not as fixated on her but he will playfully (at least from his perspective, not hers) chase her under the nearest bed and then make off with her leftovers. Rather Normal Cat is a glutton.

I'm pretty sure I can never improve relations between the cats (and the one with Neurocat is probably unsalvagable already) without Traumacat gaining more confidence. So for the last few years I have tried some socialising: I've taught her to come up on the computer table for petting, increased petting to two hands rather than one, introduced a brush and even occassionally teased her unto my lap for a few seconds without panicking. I've put up some pillows on higher places like the desk because she seems more confident and happy when she can sit on top of something than hiding beneath things. She now accepts treats and very ocassionally will play with one of the toys, she has never done either in earlier years. But I'm pretty sure that will be the limit of what I can do for her, she only trusts me so far.

Recently we've switched the bed (that she wasn't using) from Traumacat's room to a folding sofa/bed. There's a hole underneath which Traumacat knows but the other two have not discovered yet. Now Traumacat seems to hole up there pretty much indefinitely and she's getting more withdrawn which I don't think is good for her. She doesn't come for petting at the computer anymore and grows more skittish. The two seem connected. The less social contact Traumacat has, the scaredier she appears to become. When we left on holiday once and boarded the other two so she had the whole house to herself without fear, we thought she'd rise to the occassion. But she was actually more scared when no one was around to attack her than she was before. She even started losing her hair and barely ate. It took days for her to go back to her normal self.

So I've been thinking of closing up the hole under the sofa, forcing her to reclaim the pillows on top, but my dad thinks that's a bad idea. If she's happy to stay hidden away underneath the sofa, he reasons, shouldn't we leave her that hideout? She likes it enough to spend most of her day there. So, yeah, I'm torn. I want Traumacat to be happy or at least as happy she can be in this household--which isn't easy with the cards stacked against her as they are-- but she does still continue to improve socially at her age, at least towards me, which I want to encourage.

Any advice about what would be best? Letting her hide in the hope she decides for herself to resume contact, or making her keep in touch with the rest of the world by closing off her hidey-hole?
 
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... Traumacat seems to hole up there pretty much indefinitely and she's getting more withdrawn which I don't think is good for her. She doesn't come for petting at the computer anymore and grows more skittish. The two seem connected. The less social contact Traumacat has, the scaredier she appears to become. When we left on holiday once and boarded the other two so she had the whole house to herself without fear, we thought she'd rise to the occassion. But she was actually more scared when no one was around to attack her than she was before. She even started losing her hair and barely ate. It took days for her to go back to her normal self.

When it comes to determining whether something is beneficial to an animal, the proof is in the pudding. If having a permanent hidey-hole is making her more withdrawn and skittish, then it's not helping her. She's hiding from her surroundings rather than adjusting to them. A better option would be to provide her with a nice high perch where she can observe everything that's going on in the room. It will let her see the other cats coming and avoid them if she wishes, and it will give her the opportunity to see that the normal activities in the household aren't particularly frightening.

If she's happy to stay hidden away underneath the sofa, he reasons, shouldn't we leave her that hideout? She likes it enough to spend most of her day there. So, yeah, I'm torn. I want Traumacat to be happy or at least as happy she can be in this household--which isn't easy with the cards stacked against her as they are-- but she does still continue to improve socially at her age, at least towards me, which I want to encourage.

Does she like the hideout that much, or is she simply that afraid of everyplace else?

Ultimately, you have to decide what you're OK with. It sounds like you want her to come out and socialize rather than hide away for the rest of her life. With that as your goal, letting her spend so much time in one hiding place isn't helping.

In the workplace there's a saying, "if you want employees to perform well, make it easier to succeed than to fail." The way kitty is using that hole, it's currently easier to "fail" (withdraw from the environment) than to "succeed" (interact with you and the other cats in a healthy manner).

Personally, I'd probably block the hole. However, you and your father live with this cat. That means you two know her better than anyone else in the world and therefore have the best idea of how she would react. It's important to trust your instincts in these matters.

That said, it's not like any of this is irreversible. You could block the hole for a couple weeks or a month (long enough for her to make a reasonable attempt at adaptation) and see how she responds. If she's utterly miserable, you can always open it up again.
 
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I really like My Cat from Hell. Reviewing some of the videos on YouTube might give you some perspective on multi-cat household dynamics. There are a few full episodes listed on their channel. Some people might think he's a quack, but I enjoy the show. The things I've seen him recommend fairly frequently are to build cat trees and high perches (one of my favorite are a course of wall-mounted shelves) to help Traumacat gain confidence. I think he'd also recommend playing with Normalcat to burn off some of his energy so he doesn't chase Traumacat. Maybe also getting a harness for Traumacat and walking her outside to help her claim territory and become more confident. Typically, it seems like when the harrassed cat gains confidence, the bully cat starts leaving her alone, so that might fix the problem with Neurocat, as well.
 

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Poor traumatized baby. This situation sounds so sad for her.

I think you can do more than you think to help her.

To start with, yeah, I'd cover the hole. What Tazlima said, basically. I don't think she's happy in the hole, I think she's in it because she's frightened. If she's becoming more withdrawn, not less, it's not making her happy.

I'd also absolutely put in shelving or high cat trees so she can go up high and have safe-place perches. Cats are kind of unique in that they're both predator and prey, and they like to be up high. It helps them feel secure both ways - they can see if something is coming, can survey their surroundings (their territory) from a place of safety from predators, see ways to escape from predators, and look for prey.

When they're in little hidey holes that's *not* a secure place like that - it's only about hiding from predation. It doesn't give the ability to see escape or to find food or all the other things. 'Normal' housecats, who feel secure in their surroundings, do sometimes like to sit in little hideyhole beds, but they feel safe in a general sense so that security isn't indicative of overall anxiety.

If she's in there all the time it's probably her only safe spot - everything else is terror, and that's not good. Give her a lot of high perches, and get her up on them, with treats or with towels or stuff that's got her scent already, so she can see she's safe up there and can see stuff and see if someone is coming at her. Right now she seems to feel the only safety is out of view.

Then try things like distracting Neuroticcat - get him playing with toys, not her. If she builds confidence, try to get her playing and eventually playing in the same room or together, so they realize they can chase a thing on a stick, not each other so much.

Cats are all about prey and are solitary animals and hunters; they're not pack animals. They don't have like, an alpha cat in a house and dominance and all that. They have territory. That's why they rub against stuff and people - they're marking things with their scent so they know it's part of their stuff and their territory and it's safe. Hence putting stuff on the perches with her scent, so she feels it's her area and safe for her to go to.

You've had her a long time, and obviously tried and cared, but honestly, if she can't get more confident and the other cats won't stop chasing her, I might think about seeing if you know someone with a quiet home that might be better suited to her issues. Maybe an elderly neighbour with a nice, quiet place she could relax in. Just the idea of her being so scared all the time is just heartbreaking.
 
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Thanks for the replies, evreyone.

That said, it's not like any of this is irreversible. You could block the hole for a couple weeks or a month (long enough for her to make a reasonable attempt at adaptation) and see how she responds. If she's utterly miserable, you can always open it up again.
Duh, I hadn't thought of doing it temporary. It is something to keep in mind certainly.

I really like My Cat from Hell. Reviewing some of the videos on YouTube might give you some perspective on multi-cat household dynamics. There are a few full episodes listed on their channel. Some people might think he's a quack, but I enjoy the show. The things I've seen him recommend fairly frequently are to build cat trees and high perches (one of my favorite are a course of wall-mounted shelves) to help Traumacat gain confidence. I think he'd also recommend playing with Normalcat to burn off some of his energy so he doesn't chase Traumacat. Maybe also getting a harness for Traumacat and walking her outside to help her claim territory and become more confident. Typically, it seems like when the harrassed cat gains confidence, the bully cat starts leaving her alone, so that might fix the problem with Neurocat, as well.
Ooh, love that show! I think I have seen about every episode by now. Although I can't help but think sometimes that even Jackson would have his work cut out with these three. On the show, there's usually but one cat with issues among normal ones, here it is but one normal cat for two with opposite issues. (Neurocat is a problem all on his own, Psychocat would also have been also apt if not for the fact that I suspect he just, well, brain-damaged rather than psychopathic.) But the show did inspire me to work more on building Traumacat's confidence. And I have been playing more with Rather Normal Cat and he adores it. Although for some reason the more I play the more energy he gets afterwards! :e2thud:And considering the household situation, I often just don't have time to tire him out properly before dinner (Also, my mom has since vetoed getting him tired until he pants because she thinks it isn't good for him. He does some really impressive panting.) so I just can't institute the routine required to make it work better.

A harnass fro Traumacat is, I think, not an option. The two other cats go outdoors. If I can't get her be confident in the rooms she has lived in for 14 years, I won't be able to get her be confident in a space she doesn't know well and which already clearly belongs to the boys.

I'd also absolutely put in shelving or high cat trees so she can go up high and have safe-place perches. Cats are kind of unique in that they're both predator and prey, and they like to be up high. It helps them feel secure both ways - they can see if something is coming, can survey their surroundings (their territory) from a place of safety from predators, see ways to escape from predators, and look for prey.
She has two perches. One on top of a cat tree about 1,5m up, right next to the window and a fireplace ledge at the same height. The trouble is she doesn't use them. Oh, she will sit on the cat tree from time to time, but rarely longer than mere minutes and the moment any cat looks at her, she will abandon her perch and seek out shelter at ground level. Otherwise it would have been perfect since Neurocat can't jump higher then a chair in one go! (Part laziness, part brain damage from a brain hemorage he had two years go which left him deaf and did a number on his balance. If he looks straight up in open sky he can actually fall over because he doesn't know which side was up again.)

Getting Traumacat on the perches has been an ungoing struggle. She will not go for them on her own. Picking her up and putting her there is a big non-no. If I leave treats on them, Rather Normal Cat will steal them instead. Toys won't work because she won't play with humans. (The few, rare, times she has played with anything it was when she was sure no one was watching, she stops as soon as she spots you.) I have been working on that too but no luck so far.

I have been thinking of clearing a part of the book case on a higher shelf and put a pillow down there. That way a cat on the ground won't even see her immediately. But if I can't get her on the lower perches, I won't be able to get her on high. I'm not even sure she likes heights, she never explores up.

You've had her a long time, and obviously tried and cared, but honestly, if she can't get more confident and the other cats won't stop chasing her, I might think about seeing if you know someone with a quiet home that might be better suited to her issues. Maybe an elderly neighbour with a nice, quiet place she could relax in. Just the idea of her being so scared all the time is just heartbreaking.
I have actually considered that many times, although I haven't found anyone yet willing to take in a very traumatised cat, and even so the rest of the family isn't willing to let her go. I had secret hopes when a friend had her over for a long holiday but they didn't click and my friend wanted a cat she could actually touch. Still, I think Traumacat is a happier cat now then she was years ago and I don't think she's truly scared all of the time, or even most of the time. The boys have a big house and outside so I think there are days when they don't meet each other at all. But yeah, still far from ideal for her. :e2bummed:
 

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Can you put leading perches up to the higher perches? She probably doesn't need pillows. If you put the leading ones and try to coax her with maybe bits of her favourite food or her brush from one to the other, once or twice a day, she might get them nicely scented and see it's nice up there?

As to the friend - it takes time! Every cat is different, but if your friend was open to it, you might pursue that with him or her. If she was just staying over holiday, of course she'd be even more withdrawn - new place and she doesn't know what's going on. It can take a long time for a cat to relax and learn to trust, but in a quiet home, with one person and a fairly regular routine, she might come around better. It's just easier if it's more predictable for her - if it's just one person, one smell and her smell, one person on the couch and the bed, no startling other cats or different people all moving at once. Especially as she's getting older she may also be having hearing issues.

It would still take time but I'd think she'd have a much better chance at coming out of her shell in that situation, even if it took months and months. I'm not suggesting you don't care about her or anything...
 

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She can get easily to her perches via the table and chair, which she used fairly frequently. The one I was thinking of on the bookshelf would be accessible via the fireplace ledge. No point in setting up a perch she can't reach easily. The pillow is mainly because the bookcase shelves are just wood and it's one of her pillows, which means it its scented and familiar. We'll see if I can get her to use the current perches more before thinking about higher ones.

Traumacat actually came for a pet and brush session at the computer yesterday! As if she suspected I was talking behind her back and decided a computerdesk inspection was long overdue... I'm going to monitor her usage of the hole under the sofa for the next few days and then decide if it needs closing down, at least temporary.

Thanks to all for your opinions. :)
 

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My two cents, let TruamaCat have her hidey hole Given her age and issues with NeuroCat, she seems to have somewhere quiet, and secret to spend her days.
 

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I agree, let the cats have their respective spaces. Cats like to hide for numerous reasons. When I had to leave my cat at my parents house before me and boyfriend found a home (and to be fair, this is the same house my cat always lived in, just less time with me there), he hid and slept. He usually hid in the closet and would sleep on boxes of shoes just to get away from everything else. The dogs, the other cat, the grandchildren that came barrelling through every day... Cats need quiet time, whether they love you to bits 100% or they're not as social as others, they just do. Let the cat have his hole!
 

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@Friendly Frog- Obviously, you have been poorly trained. You should, of course, do whatever the cat wants.
 

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I'd let her have the hole as well. She was confident enough to come and seek petting from you. So it seems to me that the hole is actually helping her. She's a cat, she has a mind of her own.