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    White Police Officer Charged With Murder Of Black Man

    WASHINGTON — A white police officer in North Charleston, S.C., was charged with murder on Tuesday after a video surfaced showing him shooting and killing an apparently unarmed black man in the back while he ran away.
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    This incident was caught on video by a bystander. I don't see any way this officer will not be found guilty. It is murder pure and simple.
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    That was actually scary. Between the lead up and then what actually happened and then the fact that whoever took it stayed there long enough to get the part where he threw the stun gun down. If I didn't know better, since we were watching it, I would have thought the cop was going to spot him and kill him too.

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    Disgusting. It's why when there is no video I don't start with assuming anyone in a situation like that -- including the cops --- did things that had to make any damned sense.

    Vince, I would be afraid of being shot by that cop, too, yeah. It's what I was thinking while watching that part as well.
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    That's...wow.

    I have to admit, watching this video makes me want to question every officer involved shooting as a matter of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince524 View Post
    If I didn't know better, since we were watching it, I would have thought the cop was going to spot him and kill him too.
    Quote Originally Posted by backslashbaby View Post
    Disgusting. It's why when there is no video I don't start with assuming anyone in a situation like that -- including the cops --- did things that had to make any damned sense.

    Vince, I would be afraid of being shot by that cop, too, yeah. It's what I was thinking while watching that part as well.
    I was thinking the same thing. Leave no witnesses! That was murder, I just don't get it. What in the hell could he have been thinking? Hard not to call this racially motivated. Just like that one in Cleveland recently where a 12 year old boy was killed. That squad car sped into the park, saw a kid with what may have appeared to be a real gun, but asking no questions, just opened fire. Immediately. This cop didn't even bother to chase the guy down and tackle him. What? Had he eaten a big lunch? Did he not want to break a sweat? He drew his weapon and fired. Immediately. "Put your hands behind your back!" He's talking to a corpse. Life's getting cheap.

    Also, it looked as though there was some doctoring of the scene. Looked like he dropped the stun gun next to the victim. Didn't they see the guy shooting the video, looked like, at close range? I have no idea what to make of this. Stupid, criminal, racist, immoral, one or all of the above.

    Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince524 View Post
    That was actually scary. Between the lead up and then what actually happened and then the fact that whoever took it stayed there long enough to get the part where he threw the stun gun down. If I didn't know better, since we were watching it, I would have thought the cop was going to spot him and kill him too.
    I felt the same way while watching it. It wasn't like there was a crowd of people watching. The guy filming seems pretty brave to me, and it's very fortunate that he managed to catch that important detail.
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    If the rest of the video wasn't bad enough, the casual way he drops the stun gun is just plain chilling. It's like he doesn't even think about doing it, as if it was automatic.

    Definitely a brave person to film this.
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    Maybe he meant to fire his taser and accidentally grabbed the gun.

    Sadly, some people will believe anything, because they can't understand why a cop would commit a senseless murder. But senseless murders happen every day; there's no reason why a particular occupation is exempt, imo.

    I do hope this kind of incident will, at the very least, make some more open to the idea that not every police shooting has a logical explanation behind it.
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    Yeah, I noticed how casually he dropped the stun gun. Also how calm they all seemed to be about the entire incident. Just another day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robeiae View Post
    That's...wow.

    I have to admit, watching this video makes me want to question every officer involved shooting as a matter of course.
    Okay, I'm tired... are you being facetious? For as long as I can recall (and most likely due to own my experiences with officers) I've always questioned. Officers are just people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Wolfe View Post
    Maybe he meant to fire his taser and accidentally grabbed the gun.

    Sadly, some people will believe anything, because they can't understand why a cop would commit a senseless murder. But senseless murders happen every day; there's no reason why a particular occupation is exempt, imo.
    There's no reason why a "particular occupation" is exempt from senseless murder, I agree. In fact there may be reasons why a "particular occupation" is prone to it.

    Not lumping--I know there are awesome cops out there. But we have a problem.

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    Maybe we're all stuck on this, shaking our heads. In some incidents there's some gray area. Without the video, would this guy even have been charged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Wolfe View Post
    Maybe he meant to fire his taser and accidentally grabbed the gun.
    He fired it like 8 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maze Runner View Post
    Maybe we're all stuck on this, shaking our heads. In some incidents there's some gray area. Without the video, would this guy even have been charged?
    Certainly the video was responsible for the speed with which he was charged.

    However, there were witnesses. Between the witnesses and forensics, which would have shown the victim was shot multiple times in the back which would have contradicted the officers account, it's possible he would have been eventually charged anyway.

    But it would have depended not on what the police department believed had happened, but what they thought they would be able to prove in a court of law.
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    Take out the video for a moment.

    Shots to the back would indicate the victim was running away. Not sure how many times he was hit, but if it was more than once, there's liable to be a blood trail away from the officer. Again, indicating flight. They dropped the stun gun, but did they put it in her hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rugcat View Post
    Certainly the video was responsible for the speed with which he was charged.

    However, there were witnesses. Between the witnesses and forensics, which would have shown the victim was shot multiple times in the back which would have contradicted the officers account, it's possible he would have been eventually charged anyway.

    But it would have depended not on what the police department believed had happened, but what they thought they would be able to prove in a court of law.
    Right, at least one witness. Were there more than one? I know there was a second video shot, but that was after the shooting, I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vince524 View Post
    Take out the video for a moment.

    Shots to the back would indicate the victim was running away. Not sure how many times he was hit, but if it was more than once, there's liable to be a blood trail away from the officer. Again, indicating flight. They dropped the stun gun, but did they put it in her hand?
    I think he was hit four or five times. Once in the ear, one entered his heart.

    Anybody got a take on why we're seeing a rash of this kind of thing? Are there actually more incidents statistically, or is it that we are only aware of more of them, partly because everyone's carrying a video camera?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince524 View Post
    He fired it like 8 times.
    It was sarcasm, Vince.
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    I think I read five of the eight shots struck Scott; two were fatal.

    Another question I have - it appears another officer is there when the stun gun is dropped by Scott's body. If so, unless the second officer reported it, he should be facing some charges as well, IMO.

    eta: This is another instance in which multiple officers stand around and watch the victim die rather than rendering aid (as with Tamir Rice, for example). While I can understand it might not always be safe or possible to do so, it's also a convenient way of making sure the guy you just shot can't challenge your story. Anyone know if there's a policy as to whether an ambulance is dispatched immediately to the scene of any officer-involved shooting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raburrell View Post
    Another question I have - it appears another officer is there when the stun gun is dropped by Scott's body. If so, unless the second officer reported it, he should be facing some charges as well, IMO.
    It's hard to tell from the video, but it looks like he was holding the taser down alongside his leg and then casually dropped it as he approached the victims body. The other officer I would imagine was focused on the victim and quite possibly never noticed him doing that.
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    Wouldn't he hear it though? It falls a fair distance and those things aren't light.

    eta: I watched it again, and I'd characterize it as a toss, not a drop - there's forward motion. That said, it's difficult to tell whether the other officer is facing in the same direction in that frame, but in the next one, he is, and doesn't appear to have turned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maze Runner View Post
    Anybody got a take on why we're seeing a rash of this kind of thing? Are there actually more incidents statistically, or is it that we are only aware of more of them, partly because everyone's carrying a video camera?
    It seems inconclusive from the few articles I've scanned.

    From Politifact: Here’s the biggest problem: There is no mandate that local law enforcement agencies report officer involved shootings to the FBI. While 18,000 city, university, county, state, tribal and federal law enforcement agencies voluntarily participate in the FBI’s annual Uniform Crime Report, just a small fraction of them willingly provide data on deadly force and justifiable homicides within their departments.

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    From the WSJ: About a dozen agencies said their police-homicides tallies didn’t match the FBI’s because of a quirk in the reporting requirements: Incidents are supposed to be reported by the jurisdiction where the event occurred, even if the officer involved was from elsewhere. For example, the California Highway Patrol said there were 16 instances in which one of its officers killed someone in a city or other local jurisdiction responsible for reporting the death to the FBI. In some instances reviewed by the Journal, an agency believed its officers’ justifiable homicides had been reported by other departments, but they hadn’t.

    Also missing from the FBI data are killings involving federal officers.

    Police in Washington, D.C., didn’t report to the FBI details about any homicides for an entire decade beginning with 1998—the year the Washington Post found the city had one of the highest rates of officer-involved killings in the country. In 2011, the agency reported five killings by police. In 2012, the year Mr. Payton was killed, there are again no records on homicides from the agency.

    The article: http://www.wsj.com/articles/hundreds...ics-1417577504

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    Could also be that the other officer did report it to investigators, and that's part of the evidence against him. Maybe there's a deal in place - no charges in return for testifying.
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    Agreed - it's entirely possible the other officer did report it.

    eta: it appears there may be some contradictions between the police report and the video:
    Police reports say that officers performed CPR and delivered first aid to Mr. Scott. The video shows that for several minutes after the shooting, Mr. Scott remained face down with his hands cuffed behind his back. A second officer arrives, puts on blue medical gloves and attends to Mr. Scott, but is not shown performing CPR. As sirens wail in the background, a third officer later arrives, apparently with a medical kit, but is also not seen performing CPR.
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    I've seen stills from this video. They look like the cop was at the pistol range taking target practice. In any event, it's going to be hard for him to argue self-defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacbird View Post
    I've seen stills from this video. They look like the cop was at the pistol range taking target practice. In any event, it's going to be hard for him to argue self-defense.

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    I think this is what hit me most. The nonchalance of firing on a guy who's fleeing from you. Not once, but eight times. Not even trying to take him down without shooting him in the back. Just, what the hell, why not? This guy, Walter Scott had four kids. I don't know if Officer Slager has any kids, but no doubt they'll be denied his presence as well. Lose/Lose.

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