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The United States has dropped 29 spots in the annual Reporters Without Borders press freedom ranking since 2009, when President Barack Obama took office.

The U.S. ranked 49th this year out of 180 countries included in the organization's World Press Freedom Index, joining the ranks of countries like Niger, Malta and Romania.

The decline from its position at No. 20 in 2009 has been spurred by the Obama administration's aggressive prosecution of whistleblowers, said Delphine Halgand, the organization's U.S. director.

"We consider that the Obama administration has launched a war against whistleblowers," Halgand said. "This year is a continuation of the concern we already expressed that national security protection has been more and more threatening freedom of information in the U.S."

The U.S. has prosecuted eight alleged whistleblowers under the Espionage Act, more than all previous presidential administrations combined, Halgand said.
Imagine joining the ranks of such distinguished countries as Niger, Malta and Romania! WTG, fedgov!! That's transparent administration we can believe in!
 
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We're #8,we're #8!!!
 

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We're number six!
 

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Only twenty more spots and most of the population will think this is an even bigger joke. Maybe.
 

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The U.S. has prosecuted eight alleged whistleblowers under the Espionage Act, more than all previous presidential administrations combined, Halgand said.

Wow, I had no idea. That is a lot of administrations.
 

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The U.S. has prosecuted eight alleged whistleblowers under the Espionage Act, more than all previous presidential administrations combined, Halgand said.

Wow, I had no idea. That is a lot of administrations.

Don't worry. We'll get our freedoms back as soon as we win this War on Terror. :sarcasm

More seriously, I suspect that the lack of transparency in the Obama administration and the aggression with which it's going after whistleblowers is due to "national security concerns." Also known as "the helpful catch-all we use to shut people up and sweep inconvenient policies and actions under the rug."

It's really a great way to win any argument coming from the press. All you have to do is say that they're going to inadvertently kill Americans and help the terrorists and people are on your side, whether or not you're telling the truth.
 

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Don't worry. We'll get our freedoms back as soon as we win this War on Terror. :sarcasm

More seriously, I suspect that the lack of transparency in the Obama administration and the aggression with which it's going after whistleblowers is due to "national security concerns." Also known as "the helpful catch-all we use to shut people up and sweep inconvenient policies and actions under the rug."

It's really a great way to win any argument coming from the press. All you have to do is say that they're going to inadvertently kill Americans and help the terrorists and people are on your side, whether or not you're telling the truth.
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General Douglas MacArthur said:
Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear--kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor-with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it ...
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
 

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*yawn*

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6955368&postcount=2

me said:
...the comparison of the U.S. ranking does not actually indicate a "decline," per se. It indicates a change in the arbitrary rank that the U.S. has been assigned. This change could just as easily be a product of perceived "increases" in other nations; the rankings are not based on empirical quantitative differences in any way, shape, or form. In fact, the rankings are necassarily based on qualitative differences. which are established through random opinion of a tiny portion of the overall population. Like I said: arbitrary.

'Course, I also predicted this drop:

me said:
There was no fanfare this year. But the U.S.'s arbitrary rank on the Press Freedom Index for 2013 did improve...up to 32 (from 47).

'Course, 2014 ain't looking so hot...

'Course, I'm an excellent driver.
 

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Interesting how many of the top performers are "Big Government", socialist-leaning countries.

Almost enough to make us question whether smaller government is really the answer to all society's ills...
 

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Number 5, after Finland, Norway, Denmark and the Netherlands. It's funny how many of these lists the Nordic countries top: freedom of the press, gender equality, secularism, happiness... You really need to give us more competition, rest of the world. ;)
 
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When everyone looks the same and thinks the same, it's easy to mistake that for freedom...

Frankly, I'm perfectly okay with that. It works for them.

But it does make it more difficult for countries as diverse as the US.
 

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Frankly, I'm perfectly okay with that. It works for them.

But it does make it more difficult for countries as diverse as the US.
I'm sure it works out fine except for that minority that doesn't want to look the same and think the same. Give me diversity every time. Nonconformists are the ones who move society forward. I'm surprised to hear you championing conformity, TBH.

Here's to the crazy ones.
 

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I'm sure it works out fine except for that minority that doesn't want to look the same and think the same. Give me diversity every time. Nonconformists are the ones who move society forward. I'm surprised to hear you championing conformity, TBH.

Here's to the crazy ones.

The whole basis of a nation-state is a state united by a single culture and/or ethnicity. I think it's a perfectly valid archetype for a state.

In a culturally and ethnically homogenous society, societal change is essentially equivalent to cultural change, which still happens. You still have non-conformists who change society, but the clashes tend to be between different age groups, as the needs and values of society change from generation to generation. See the age gap in Japan, for example.

Of course, I think minorities who don't identify with the culture and ethnicity of a nation-state should be free to form their own state. And this is where modern concepts of land rights, property rights, and other geopolitical boundaries tend to get in the way. For example, I think both Israel and Palestine have a right to exist and to Jerusalem, but sharing it is very difficult in today's political climate, with our current concepts of ownership and geopolitical boundaries.

I also value diversity, but it certainly makes governance more difficult, and I think (ethnic/cultural) nationality is an entirely valid way to make a state. A lot of issues get a lot simpler (but still complicated) when everyone is coming from the same cultural/ethnic background and shared history.

It's certainly not perfect, but nothing is.

Incidentally, I also have no problem with such things as a state religion, in theory. But like many other things, it's not right for the US. Likewise on gun bans. I have no problem with them philosophically, but I don't think they'd work for the US.

Fortunately, I have dual-citizenship to both kinds of setups, so I don't have to choose only one. :D
 
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Why? Is it something to do with Tony Abbott?
I don't think it can be blamed on Tony. Our ranking has been slipping since the early '00s. I do question why we should fall so far behind our NZ neighbors when we're culturally so similar. Something to do with concentration of media ownership?
 

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When everyone looks the same and thinks the same, it's easy to mistake that for freedom...

I don't know what you base your statement on or which countries you are thinking of, but I would most emphatically say it is not at all true for Sweden, anyway.

We have a significant number of immigrants here, and compared to other European countries, we receive more non-European immigrants:
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...p/Migration_and_migrant_population_statistics

For example, according to UNHCR we're the state receiving the largest number of Syrian refugees in Europe along with Germany (together we stand for more than 50%, and then you have to consider that Sweden is among the absolutely smallest countries population-wise in Europe, 9 million to Germany's 80 million): http://www.unhcr.org/53bfcd969.html

We come in all shades, faiths and with very different opinions on lots of things. In our parliament at the moment we have parties ranging from the far left to the far right, and we have a rather polarized political debate at the moment, so it's not a very sweet, consensual, we-all-think-alike-atmosphere at all. However, in general we are very positive towards sharing our country with some people who may "look and think differently" than the majority, ie immigrants: http://www.thelocal.se/20150117/swedes-europes-mos

So whatever the explanation is that puts us in the top 5, it isn't that we all look and think the same.
 
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The whole basis of a nation-state is a state united by a single culture and/or ethnicity. I think it's a perfectly valid archetype for a state....

I agree with all of that (just cut it for space).


I adore diversity, but it does make ruling more difficult. And in ex-colonies like the US and so many countries, there is the specific problem of the main diversity (originally) having come from an oppressed class living with their oppressors! That can take a while to work out nicely, naturally!

Look at the countries with very large numbers of oppressed folks during colonization compared to the countries who just sat back and reaped the rewards from that system. It's much easier to get over something like that when it's only a matter of not accepting the riches any more. Dealing with the actual people involved is much trickier.
 

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I don't know what you base your statement on or which countries you are thinking of, but I would most emphatically say it is not at all true for Sweden, anyway.

Sorry. You made I joke, I replied with a joke. I wasn't serious at all. Guess I should have used a smilie, too... ;)
 

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I adore diversity, but it does make ruling more difficult. And in ex-colonies like the US and so many countries, there is the specific problem of the main diversity (originally) having come from an oppressed class living with their oppressors! That can take a while to work out nicely, naturally!
We have that in NZ, too. Maori and Pakeha cultures remain quite different. But, for all that, we're not at the bottom of the ranking heap.

I think Albedo's right in that it has an awful lot to do with how much power and wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few, and what those few do (or are allowed to do) with that power.
 

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We have that in NZ, too. Maori and Pakeha cultures remain quite different. But, for all that, we're not at the bottom of the ranking heap.

I think Albedo's right in that it has an awful lot to do with how much power and wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few, and what those few do (or are allowed to do) with that power.

It was just a general statement, because naturally there are a lot of variables involved :) Time period of colonization obviously matters, as does population size, population density, types of oppression, etc. It's not a 1:1 correlation.

But I was going on a tangent anyway! Sorry :)