When is it Horror and when does it become something else?

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Brian P. White

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I've written two novels in a series that takes place two years after a zombie apocalypse. My story has zombies here and there (and is about one in particular), but the level of other aspects (action, drama, comedy) in the story make me wonder if it's still Horror based solely on it being about a zombie apocalypse ... or if I have to classify it as some other genre (or even just general fiction).

I ask, obviously, because (unless I self-pub) I have to consider who's considering my work when I submit to an agent or publisher. They have their ideas and I'm still learning the boundaries.

Please help!
 

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You'll find a lot of different definitions of horror, but the one I'm fond of is if the goal of your work is to frighten the readers, then it's horror. Obviously it's not as black-and-white as that, though, so you may have to wait for some additional opinions.

Post-apocalyptic action-adventure, maybe?
 

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When I try to determine if something is horror, I think back to a series of dreams I had as a teenager. If I detailed them here they would sound like nightmares. I frequently fled or fought for my life. Despite the subject matter, however, I wasn't frightened. I thought of them as adventure dreams.

If you fell asleep and were plunked down in the middle of your story, would it be a nightmare that would wake you up in a cold sweat, a scream caught in your throat? Or would you wake up and be like, "Wow, that was nuts! I think I'll doze off again and see if I can find out the ending."
 
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Man. It seems I keep writing things that are hard to classify, which makes it harder to find representation. I thought a zombie novel would be an easy horror pitch, but it's so much more than zombie scares; it's struggling with inner challenges, family, fun, swordfighting, battle, torture, revenge, monsters, chases/escapes ... it's almost like the description Peter Falks "grandfather" character gave The Princess Bride (WORD FOR WORD!). I might even throw in the true love and miracles if I felt so inclined!

I think I have how I'm going to pitch it locked. Now I have to wonder who I'm going to pitch it to, and as what kind of fiction. This is the same problem I ran into with my first (heartbreaking) novel.

Tell you what: here's the pitch. Please tell me if you think it can still be considered horror:

I would like to share with you a horror fiction novel called “The Death Doll,” the story of a zombie who fights her kind and insane gangs to defend a small community of survivors.

Two years have passed since a zombie plague wiped out most of the world. In the plains of northwest Iowa, four strangers are rescued by a woman and taken back to her fortified community nearby. They soon discover their protection costs their freedom and that their new leader is the Death Doll, a figure of post-apocalyptic lore renowned for several murders in Chicago. When they confront this urban legend, they discover she’s not a ghost; she’s a zombie. The Death Doll, known to her camp as “Didi,” spent the two years since her suicide and reanimation trying to right the wrongs of her sordid past. With the help of a man she can never repay, she dedicates her existence to giving her camp a chance to live decent lives beyond the plague. When her generosity is abused, her camp is threatened by a ruthless gang of nomads led by a charming madman who will stop at nothing to take everything she worked to build—including her people’s lives.

Any thoughts?
 

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Like Niccola said, if it's scary it's horror. There is no reason horror cannot have inner challenges, family, fun, sword fighting, etc. too. What makes horror horror is that it frightens people.
 

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In my experience, horror is defined by sub-genres. I participated in a similar discussion once regarding whether or not The Monster Squad and other horror-comedies belong in the same place of discussion as intensely terrifying films. Generally, any film fitting a horror sub-genre is accepted by horror fans because they have those elements.

I wouldn't market a horror comedy to an agent that exclusively works with serious horror, but a horror-drama? In the modern day, that's what most pieces are. More and more, the entertainment industry is taking into account the fact that relatable characters with human challenges are the key part that will hold their readers that were hooked by the horror aspects - hell, look at The Walking Dead, for instance: a horror show in which the audience primarily discusses the human aspects.
 

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Horror is intended to scare people. There's so much out there that's classified as horror, but was never really meant to be. And there's this idea that zombies/other monsters automatically means horror, which it doesn't. Not sure where that came from. Maybe it's because said monsters were originally used in horror only, and people can't get that idea out of their head. If you have a zombie apocalypse story, it might get automatically classified as horror just because that's what genre people would want to put it in...but it may or may not actually be horror.
 

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If horror is supposed to scare me, I've never read a horror story. Do real people actually get scared over what's written in a work of fiction? I know zombies, vampires, etc., are not real, and they simply do not frighten me in the least. If I want a novel to frighten me in any way, it needs to be a story I not only believe can happen, but that stands a very real chance of happening in the near future.

I read horror novels for the same reason I read westerns, mysteries, science fiction, or the Harry Potter novels. I read because I care what happens to the characters. I expect the characters to be afraid because they're part of the story, and to them, the monsters are real.

But I also expect the characters to be frightened if we're invaded by aliens, or if they learn Russia has just launched every nuclear missile they have, etc.

I have a very hard time believing that many grownups are actually frightened by what they read in a horror novel. Kids, sure, but grownups? None I know. If it were phrased, "Frightened for the characters", I'd buy into it, but that's it.

It's horror if it uses the tropes of horror. Go to a horror convention, and you see fans who take in almost anything as horror, and it's just silly to say they're wrong.

But scared by a horror story. No, not hardly. I can be disgusted, and I can be creeped out, but almost never in a good way. I sure as heck can't be scared by a horror novel, anymore than I can be scared by a western, a mystery, or a historical romance. If I judged horror by what scares me, there is no such thing as a horror story.
 

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Fiction intended to scare/unnerve/disgust is a good, broad definition, but there is no hard and fast line that separates Horror from other genres. A lot of people are willing to take anything that mentions a subject they associate with horror or scary things and they think that makes a book horror.

I recent read Dark Places by Gillian Flynn. A lot of people call it a horror novel, (it was voted for a group read in a horror group.) but I think it was actually a mystery-thriller. The only thing that might pull it into horror is a suggested sub-plot of satanic worship, but it really has no bearing on the story.

Really, there are a lot of broad definitions of what horror is, which you can write under and be safely covered, but it can easily be written up to the opinion of the reader too.
 

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My favorite type of horror is psychological horror. I just got done done reading the tell tale heart by Edgar Allen Poe for the first time since 20 years ago. I like how he hate the man with an evil eye and then kills him then the guilt in the murderers mind forces home to admit the truth there is a psychological horror in his mind that is paranoi, and I think it is my favorite kind of horror.
 
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