Same Sex Marriage in Alabama - for now

Also I feel that the probate judges who are refusing to issue licenses on the basis of religion don't understand their job. They either need to follow the law or quit or be fired. IMO.

Interesting how the Bible allows for all sorts of marriages that are not between one man and one woman - or even one man, one woman, a concubine or two, and some slaves. I mean, actual straight-up plural marriages.

Sounds like he's trying to speak for God, IMO.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the constitution forbids recognizing "a divine institution in our law."

It's weird, to me, that the political Right are the ones who talk most about keeping government small and being constitution-loving patriots, and also the ones who tend to be most in favor of going against the constitution when it suits them, especially on issues of individual choice.

I know, right?! I don't understand why people get so uptight about it or how they draw some of their conclusions. THey say marriage has been the same for thousands of years but it hasn't. They say next will come incest which is absurd on its face and I can't for the life of me see how they get from same sex marriage to incest. Biblical marriage included multi-wife households, and Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because there was nothing and no one worth redeeming, not because of homosexuality. and if you are going to cite Leviticus you better not eat pork, if you are woman you best cover your head, and don't forget to make a separate room in the temple for women.

I heard Roy Moore on the TV this morning talking about destroyed values and that he's looking out for families. BullSh*t. This court ruling came about because a woman was trying to adopt her spouse's child. They were married in another state but an Alabama state court denied her request stating they did not recognize their marriage. So they appealed in federal court. So how is he helping families when this family is not whole? I guess he would say it is wrong for a kid to have two moms so that's how he is helping. I am so angry that he got re-elected. The vote was split 3 ways in the primary. If there had only been one other candidate I don't think he would have won, and now he's making Alabama look bad to the rest of the country. I'm surrounded by people who are open and posting #lovewins and supporting this but the face of Alabama is that idiot.

Don't worry, Sass. As a Texan, I know better than to see idiots like this as "the face of" their state, and I know there's a lot of others that feel the same.

I mean... we Texans have Louie Gohmert. (Hides face in shame)

But they do get elected, somehow, and that's discouraging.

sassandgroove said:

I heard Roy Moore on the TV this morning talking about destroyed values and that he's looking out for families. BullSh*t. This court ruling came about because a woman was trying to adopt her spouse's child. They were married in another state but an Alabama state court denied her request stating they did not recognize their marriage. So they appealed in federal court. So how is he helping families when this family is not whole?

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He's protecting families like his: white, conservative, and Christian.

Gary Palmer our new representative said on the radio that making same sex marriage legal is going to change our culture. BUt on Monday, the first day it was legal, we had ppl lining up to get married, which says to me we already have this in our culture. The only thing it is going to change is providing rights and protections to everyone. I just don't get the fear and hang ups about this.

Tangentially related: does anyone have a list of denominations that allow their clergy to perform same-sex marriages? Obviously the Catholics don't, and I assume Lutherans don't either. I know Nazarenes won't either.

The Presbyterian Church (USA) is headed that way:
http://www.religionnews.com/2014/06/19/presbyterians-vote-allow-gay-marriage/

(RNS) The Presbyterian Church (USA) voted Thursday (June 19) to allow gay and lesbian weddings within the church, making it among the largest Christian denominations to take an embracing step toward same-sex marriage.
By a 61-39 percent vote, the General Assembly of the 1.8 million-member PCUSA voted to allow pastors to perform gay marriages in states where they are legal. Delegates, meeting in Detroit this week, also approved new language about marriage in the church’s Book of Order, or constitution, altering references to “a man and woman” to “two persons.”
This change will not become church law until a majority of the 172 regional presbyteries vote to ratify the new language. But given the lopsided vote, approval is expected.

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The United Methodist church does not currently but change may be coming there too:
http://www.ibtimes.com/united-methodist-church-moves-allow-lgbt-clergy-gay-marriage-1814812

Gay clergy and same-sex marriage may be allowed at United Methodist Churches thanks to a proposal drafted by the Connectional Table, a respected international body of clergy members and lay people in the church. On Tuesday, the committee affirmed the proposal to remove church legislation that punishes clergy for being “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” or officiating gay weddings, the United Methodist Church News Service reported.
This was not a formal vote; the committee will reconvene in May, when the proposal will be held to an actual vote. If passed, clergy members would not face punishment, church trials or be defrocked if they officiated same-sex weddings or came out as gay.

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