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    practical experience, FTW AndreaGS's Avatar
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    3L Publishing

    This is a company local to me. I’ve visited their website and attended one of their meetup group meetings (Writers Who Mean Business). http://www.3lpublishing.com

    Their prices seem steep. Prices for their “premier” publishing packages are not listed. Prices for their self-publishing packages start at $1,499. Prices for editing begin at $999. When I looked into their titles on amazon, I found spelling and grammatical errors on the first pages. There is a grammatical error in the owner’s bio, which also doesn’t instill confidence.

    Their price for e-book conversion is $500. I paid $35 to LK Campbell to format my book into multiple e-book formats (and she did a lovely job!).

    They offer “book coaching” services, but in addition to the errors in their published books, sales rankings for their books on amazon seem very low--in the millions for the ones I looked at. I could not find any fiction publishing credits for the owner except for a screenplay produced on Showtime in 1995, her self-published book, and titles published under her company’s imprint. The other partner involved in her company has also worked in the television industry, with no fiction publishing credits I could find except for his novel published through 3L.

    Upon looking into an award for which one of their authors achieved a finalist ranking (Indie Excellence Award), I could find no list of judges. Ostensibly, this was to protect the judges’ privacy. There are over 100 categories listed on the award website, a $69 entrance fee, and you can purchase a certificate and stickers if you win.

    At the meeting, the owner claimed extensive experience with editors and publishers. She insisted that I needed a “logline” for my novelette/novella, when the publishers I’m targeting specifically ask you not to send any sort of summary. When I explained, she told me that I was now “arguing with a publisher.” When presented with word counts, she asked that these be converted to page counts for her reference. She claimed that if you did not earn out your advance with a trade publisher, they would require that you pay it back.

    The owner may have the best intentions in the world, but I found the information she gave misleading.
    Last edited by AndreaGS; 01-17-2015 at 07:39 AM.
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    So they are a vanity publisher?
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    Ships full of vampires are hell. AW Moderator amergina's Avatar
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    Looks like a vanity publisher to me (based on the pay to play).

    (And , that old chestnut about having to pay back your advance if you don't earn out. NO. NO NO NO NO. Bad vanity publisher! No biscuit!)
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    According to their website, they are a "hybrid" publisher.

    http://3lpublishing-firstwordblog.bl...publisher.html
    Last edited by AndreaGS; 01-17-2015 at 09:44 AM.
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    Ships full of vampires are hell. AW Moderator amergina's Avatar
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    Here's a link to Writer Beware's info on Vanity publishing:

    http://www.sfwa.org/other-resources/...beware/vanity/

    Which might be of some use to folks.
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    That's a great resource, amergina. I'm all for transparency. My husband thinks that if people decide to use the services of a publisher that doesn't fit their needs, it's on them for not doing enough research, but it certainly can't hurt to make that research easier to find.
    Last edited by AndreaGS; 01-17-2015 at 09:44 AM.
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    Sometimes I think if see that old vanity canard about having to pay back advances one more time, I'm going to kick a wall.
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