Amadan
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But the only effective way to prevent people from reacting this way is to stop being an antagonizing jackass.
So, the "consequentialist" solution to violent fanatics killing people for saying things they don't like is to cower and shut up. No thanks.
I think the most effective way to prevent people from reacting this way is to kill or imprison those who react this way. Every. Single. Time.
It's really surprising how so many of you insist to defend the discourse of people who, if they showed up in this forum, would get banned in a matter of days on account of grossly insensitive hate speech.
Absolutely I defend them.
There are things I'd certainly kick people out of my house for saying, but I would not want them to be legally prohibited from saying them in public, let alone targeted with violence.
It's also kinda sad to see people who still believe the fable that terrorists hate us because we're not muslims. No, terrorists hate us because our countries have restrictive laws specifically targetting muslims, they hate us because mosques in the western world are getting vandalised on a daily basis, they hate us because our countries bomb their countries, they hate us because the civilian arab victims of western military actions are orders of magnitude more numerous than the western civilian victims of islamic terrorism, they hate us because we support local arab dictators in the name of stability and in the name of "fighting terrorism".
There are a few tiny grains of truth in there, and so much horrible apologia. Yes, there is a certain amount of action/reaction in the jihadist response to the West, and contrary to what you said, no one here is claiming the West has always acted with pristine and benevolent motives.
But jihadists want a jihadist state that will eventually spread and conquer all non-Muslim states (and indeed, all Muslim states that do not follow their particular strain of Islam). They hate us because we oppose that, and they will continue fighting us until either they win or they are eliminated. Grievances about Muslims being persecuted, while they may sometimes be legitimate, are merely PR for them. They didn't spring up to defend oppressed Muslims whose mosques in the West occasionally get vandalized.