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It's been a long time since I've read it, but there was at least one sex scene between the priest and the main character. While racy/explicit is somewhat subjective, it certainly wasn't of fade-to-black level, at the very least.

Bannedfiction says they publish all heat levels (including works with non-graphic sex scenes); so their blanket ban on priests and nuns wasn't apparently based on an objection to incredibly graphic nun/nun BDSM. It read as a complete blanket ban; no priests or nuns in sex scenes, period. Which would rule out The Thorn Birds by their standards, because it has a priest in a sex scene.

They've since removed the blanket ban, a choice I approve of.

I don't remember the sex scene being on-page at all; yes, they had sex during a beach holiday but AFAIK it was very discreet. The main thing was the love story between the two. But maybe I'm wrong. Read it a very long time ago but I think I would have noticed -- plus, it was published so long ago, and I don't think authors were at all explicit in those days -- that trend happened in the last twenty years or so! Or do you mean there couldn't even be off-page sex?
 
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I don't remember the sex scene being on-page at all; yes, they had sex during a beach holiday but AFAIK it was very discreet. The main thing was the love story between the two. But maybe I'm wrong. Read it a very long time ago but I think I would have noticed -- plus, it was published so long ago, and I don't think authors were at all explicit in those days -- that trend happened in the last twenty years or so! Or do you mean there couldn't even be off-page sex?

I remember the love scene on the beach. It was certainly more discreet than other stuff I've read. I remember her mouth turning into an 'O' of astonished pleasure, or something! I was 12 and had to ask my older sister what that meant! *blush*'
 

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For a better idea of their "taboo kinks", try looking at their "Keywords for Story Ideas" section. It has loads of stuff--including things that contradict their No-No-list. Like "Mind Control" and "Dubcon" are on their keywords list, and seem to contradict the "no rape portrayed in a positive light".

You would think that a publisher would do their best to select quality stories and edit them well to avoid refunds. This explanation really doesn't need to be there and seems like airing the personal problems of their business model as a publisher. A "please only send polished, final draft manuscripts" would probably suffice. If a publisher doesn't want refunds, the onus is on them to select stories that match well with their intended customer base/audience.

I also find it a bit ironic to go on that much about the authors' responsibility to self-edit, when almost every paragraph on the page is filled with ",,,," at some point...but I wonder if that's a display error on my side because there's no way someone could think four commas are needed.

Thanks! Yes, I'd looked at their 'key words for stories' link and 'taboo' and 'forbidden' are on there as though they are separate things from all the other kinks. So I was scratching my head about what they constitute for Banned Fiction. Maybe they don't even know themselves? I noticed the editing/typo mistakes on the site, also, but it looks like it's still under construction so it may be they'll iron those out. They also talk like they've already published and distributed books, and want rights they've 'historically' been able to exploit. Odd, since they haven't published any books yet as far as I can tell--and misleading if that's the case. I've sent an e-mail and will report back if/when I hear from them.
 

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I don't remember the sex scene being on-page at all; yes, they had sex during a beach holiday but AFAIK it was very discreet. The main thing was the love story between the two. But maybe I'm wrong. Read it a very long time ago but I think I would have noticed -- plus, it was published so long ago, and I don't think authors were at all explicit in those days -- that trend happened in the last twenty years or so! Or do you mean there couldn't even be off-page sex?

What it originally said, on its list of things it would not publish, was "Sex scenes featuring a Catholic priest/nun, or stories that are derogatory to any religion."

I took that to mean no sex scenes with them of any kind, even discreet ones.

Thanks! Yes, I'd looked at their 'key words for stories' link and 'taboo' and 'forbidden' are on there as though they are separate things from all the other kinks. So I was scratching my head about what they constitute for Banned Fiction. Maybe they don't even know themselves? I noticed the editing/typo mistakes on the site, also, but it looks like it's still under construction so it may be they'll iron those out. They also talk like they've already published and distributed books, and want rights they've 'historically' been able to exploit. Odd, since they haven't published any books yet as far as I can tell--and misleading if that's the case. I've sent an e-mail and will report back if/when I hear from them.

They've added a "We Want Writers" section that describes the keywords as "The keywords on our Submit It! page are listed to help writers and classify what their story is about. Thus, making it easy for the shopper to find what they want."

The problem is, there are no keywords on their Submit It! page. There are some on their Submissions Guidelines page, and their Keywords for Story Ideas page, but which one they're describing there we're left with no clue. It does explain (indirectly) why taboo and forbidden are on the keyword list though--it's for their eventual keyword search system. I guess someone could be looking to sort Bannedfiction's offerings for a book with *any* kind of taboo sex, (i.e pseudo-incest OR public sex OR age play) as opposed to the people looking for their specific kind only (public sex).

My overall impression is that they don't know what they're doing. "Under construction" is one thing, but they've advertised themselves as open and up for submissions, so the amount of frequent changes and shifting rules and definitions is troubling. They should have had a clear idea of what they were willing to accept before they began taking submissions, and they should make it clear to potential submitters.

I see literally nothing from them that would encourage me to have faith in them as a publisher, and plenty to make me question them. I look forward to your report on the email matter.



(In case BannedFiction is reading) If I were them, I'd take a week off messing with the site, huddle up, and decide exactly what they will and won't take, what their policies are, and have a clear and consistent vision to move forward with before they change the site to try and reflect that vision.

Live-editing the site without a clear vision just makes things more confusing. Adding redundant pages that say almost the same thing as other pages, and refer to side-bars that don't exist yet is not making anything better. Referring to information as on one page when it's on an entirely different page is not making anything better. That's why it's a wise idea to sit on and edit and review site changes before you make an actual change to a website.
 
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Hey, you might be able to find it for free on fanfiction.net!

And herein lies a pretty big flaw with this business model (I would assume). I went through the entire list and there's not a thing on there I couldn't find for free on Archive of Our Own with a five minute search, max. And I could find rape, pedophilia, bestiality and priest priest sex too, if I was so inclined. I could probably find them in the same story...

While I like the idea of a publisher specializing in fetishism and kinks, the price point would have to be pretty low for me to buy anything from them. First of all, I don't have faith that they really understand what fetishism is about, the way they keep changing their list of things they won't take. Agree that for a publisher calling itself "Banned Books" I'd expect that list to be pretty small and not include seemingly arbitrary things like religious figures or minors in sexual situations (teenagers can't get it on? Seems tamer than most of the stuff you see in the YA section at Barnes and Noble...)

Second, there are tons of fetish writers out there who do understand what their kinks are about, and put a lot of effort into developing them, simply as labors of love. I follow a small group of writers who write M/M domestic discipline and do it well, because it's what they enjoy. I'd be hesitant to pick up something from a publisher who deals with so many kinks that they likely won't be able to accurately understand all the nuance behind each one. That list is just too long, and they've given me nothing to even suggest that they're passionate about kinky erotica, more of a "Eh...Fifty Shades took off, maybe we can make money doing this?" type of deal.

Don't get me wrong. If they ever get their stuff together, I feel like they'll attract readers. I just don't think what they're doing and what they're promoting is as avant-garde as they seem to think it is.
 

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While I like the idea of a publisher specializing in fetishism and kinks, the price point would have to be pretty low for me to buy anything from them. First of all, I don't have faith that they really understand what fetishism is about, the way they keep changing their list of things they won't take. Agree that for a publisher calling itself "Banned Books" I'd expect that list to be pretty small and not include seemingly arbitrary things like religious figures or minors in sexual situations (teenagers can't get it on? Seems tamer than most of the stuff you see in the YA section at Barnes and Noble...)

Second, there are tons of fetish writers out there who do understand what their kinks are about, and put a lot of effort into developing them, simply as labors of love. I follow a small group of writers who write M/M domestic discipline and do it well, because it's what they enjoy. I'd be hesitant to pick up something from a publisher who deals with so many kinks that they likely won't be able to accurately understand all the nuance behind each one. That list is just too long, and they've given me nothing to even suggest that they're passionate about kinky erotica, more of a "Eh...Fifty Shades took off, maybe we can make money doing this?" type of deal.

Don't get me wrong. If they ever get their stuff together, I feel like they'll attract readers. I just don't think what they're doing and what they're promoting is as avant-garde as they seem to think it is.

I agree regarding the price point. I would definitely pay for a good fetish/kink story, but the price would have to be right. I've purchased self-pubbed stuff (some good, some atrocious) and read some pretty good free stories on Literotica, for example. From a specialist publisher I'd expect good quality kink!

I didn't get the impression they think they're avant-garde, but maybe that's just me. It feels like they are new and enthusiastic, but don't really know exactly what they're doing--yet. I like Banned Fiction's extensive list of kinks. From what I understand (and I don't know a lot about it, granted) the fetish/kink market is a niche market. If they limit themselves to only a few kinks they probably wouldn't be sustainable as a business long-term. Lots of romance sites, for example, have long lists of what they publish--from cowboy to vampire etc-- and I think that will help readers who are looking for a particular kink.

My e-mail to them bounced back as 'undeliverable' but I'll keep my eyes open.
 
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There are plenty of publishers that put out sub-genres and tropes that you can also find online. You just have to have better material and/or better packaging and delivery.
 

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