Grey Wolfe Publishing

PatiQlee said:

since everyone says go it alone

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The pro-self-publishing people are very loud and adamant online -- it's practically a religious movement. If you start researching "getting published" online from a perspective of not yet knowing anything about it, it's hard NOT to come away with the impression that self-publishing is the only way to go. It's certainly one option, if you go in with eyes open, but it's not the panacea that the evangelists make it out to be.

Vanity presses and sellers of dubious services to authors also spend a lot of time trolling any (online or meatspace) venue where new writers seek advice. Or they disguise their sales pitches as helpful advice for authors. Trying to research how to get published can be a minefield.

Fortunately, you've come the the right place . There are some amazingly knowledgeable and helpful people on this site; I'm very grateful for the effort they put in.

Bubastes said:

The comments on this old GWP site are...interesting. https://oldgreywolfepublishing.wordpress.com/

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The way they responded to anything less than boot licking praise was disgusting. Also, that website looked like it was made in 1996.

akaria said:

The way they responded to anything less than boot licking praise was disgusting. Also, that website looked like it was made in 1996.

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To be fair, that's their old website. Not that their current one is any better.

Grey Wolfe Publishing has tweaked its business model: http://www.greywolfeshop.com/evolution-letter.html

Grey Wolfe is its "traditional publishing" arm: http://www.greywolfeshop.com/traditional-publishing.html
Some details: http://www.greywolfeshop.com/trad-publishing-sci-fi.html

We will spend up to $6,000 to edit, publish, promote, market, and sell your book. You'll retain a generous 50% royalty (after recoupment) for a period of five years, with an option to extend. Your book will be produced in softcover print, e-book, and audiobook, with an opportunity for hardcover and foreign language translation, too!

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Write Duck Press is its "indie publishing" arm: http://www.greywolfeshop.com/write-duck-press-indie-house.html
Some details: http://www.greywolfeshop.com/evolution-letter.html
Services offered:

Professional Editorial Services ~ Book Design ServicesBook Marketing Services ~ Book Translation Services
Audio Book Services ~ Self-Publishing Coaching Services

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They are opening a brick-and-mortar used bookstore in August (ETA: they are the new owners of a decades-old used bookstore): http://www.greywolfeshop.com/the-scriptorium.html

They've also hosted a weekly writing Meetup for years, which was mentioned earlier in this thread.

Oh FFS: "We will spend up to $6,000 to edit, publish, promote, market, and sell your book. You'll retain a generous 50% royalty (after recoupment) for a period of five years, with an option to extend. Your book will be produced in softcover print, e-book, and audiobook, with an opportunity for hardcover and foreign language translation, too!"

Which probably means they'll spend tuppence ha'penny on slapping it together and not give the poor author a penny until they've "recouped" the $6000 they "spent" on it. This is seriously not an improvement.

Or, more likely, they'll shuttle most authors to their Write Duck Press arm where they pay $2575 for "full independent publishing services" (beware of extended pond/water/aquatic wildlife metaphors):
http://www.writeduckpress.com/the-full-migration.html

If you only want to pay for marketing services, it's $1150:
http://www.writeduckpress.com/marketing-pond-design--maintenance.html

Good lord...