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    [Promotion] Goodreads

    So I did my first Goodreads Giveaway June 1st, had 300+ people enter--one winner. I mailed him a book all the way to New Zealand...cost me a pretty penny. Strangely, I noticed soon after that someone is selling a used copy of my book on Amazon for $24...like...4 times what you can buy it brand new. Then I found this article:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-...b_2607883.html

    Which is totally disheartening. The point of the giveaway was to attract new readers. Best it did was show my book cover/description in a list of other covers on a website that, for all I know, is nothing but resellers looking for free stuff.

    ::womp womp::
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    Hi, nocomposer

    I'm wondering if this is the right place for this, but perhaps since it is the 'Bewares...'

    Also, this might be a good topic to open where people can discuss it? (That is, the entire giveaways program on goodreads.)

    It might elicit some discussion, pros and cons, etc. I am sort of an active participant in the giveaways and have won a ton of books, all of which I kept, and every one of which I have given an honest review. (I suppose that's what the goodreads program expects and wants from its winners.)

    Anyhow, interesting at any rate.
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    jaksen,

    Glad to hear there are legit readers engaged with the Giveaways. For my wallet's sake, I've decided to limit my next Giveaway to U.S participants.

    We'll see what comes of it.

    p.s. yeah, I put it here because of "Bewares[...]"

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    Unless there's some sign it's the same person (it's shipping from NZ, for example) it's probably the usual used book weirdness on Amazon - companies advertise the books for more then they're worth on the off chance someone's daft enough to buy from them, then order the book from the publisher and post it on. There's all these algorithms running based on page views etc that mean the price goes up every time someone looks at the book, on the basis that if it's popular sooner or later Amazon will run out and someone will be willing to pay over the odds to get a copy.

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    Why do you assume that to be the same person?

    Resellers with markups almost never have the product in hand.

    And a Kiwi is pretty unlikely to be selling an item like an in print book through Amazon marketplace--if they are you can easily see it from the shipping info.
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    veinglory/nkkingston,

    This is great news. I saw one used and was all 'WTF?' and then the article I found provided the explanation I suppose I feared.

    Thanks for the input. Made my day.

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    I found an ARC of my novel for sale on Amazon, and when I did a little Google mapping of the two addresses winners provided in Washington state, I found the reseller was one of them. I was a little irritated by it, but thus far it's only one of the ten I sent out that I've found for sale. I did get two reviews from winners, but I spent a pretty penny sending out the books (a full half of them to international winners), so I don't think I'll be doing it again since the review-to-winner ratio was so low.
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    I use Goodreads giveaway program all the time for promotion. For me it's been great. Not everyone leaves a review in return, but many have. I do realize however that I cannot control what the winner does with the book. That's totally up to them. I'm not worried about them reselling it since I make very little from each paperback sale anyway. It's still a form of promotion because hopefully the book being resold will get into the hands of a reader who might eventually become a fan. That's how I look at it.

    I've also won around 20 books through the program in the past year. I always leave reviews. Maybe that's why I win frequently.

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    Last I checked Goodreads does have some sort of algorithm that means more active reviewers are more likely to win giveaways (or was that for LibraryThing?). If true, it's a good system because books are more likely to go to people who are really willing to review them.

    Still, I've found Goodreads giveaways are nice for getting people to 'add' your book but the follow up is not particularly good. I no longer plan to do international giveaways on Goodreads, simply because shipping gets so prohibitive (in the US I can use media mail rates for books, or ship directly from Createspace). I've given away ebooks internationally on LibraryThing, though. Still not a high success rate, but worth the small investment of time for me. I know reselling ARCs is a major faux pas, but frankly after the winner places a review I don't care what they do with the book. I like to think they'd keep it, but if they give it away or sell it...eh, it's theirs now.

    I also sign up for tons of giveaways through Goodreads and LibraryThing...Perhaps too many. I've won lots of LibraryThing books and now have to work through the backlog to finish & post reviews of them, and I have too many books on my Goodreads 'to read' shelf to properly follow up on for years. I guess 'too much to read' is a good problem to have, though.

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    I was wondering how authors got on with the Goodreads' giveaway. I haven't done one yet were the main paperback is concerned.

    I tend to stay within my genre reading groups (BDSM group, M/M group etc). I'll offer up a few ebooks for each Book of the Month that comes up on my work, or, in the BDSM group in particular, a giveaway for the buddy reads that go on with mine. I think because I'm a member there anyway and know a good majoirty, the rate/review return rate on giveaways is really good.

    The cost is huge for paperback, so I tend just to stick to the ebooks, in smaller niche Goodreads' groups.

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    My latest YA dystopian (two books) were put on a Goodreads give-away list by one of my publisher's marketing assistants. When the dust settled, I had 1,100 participants and over 500 who joined the TBR list. I have no idea how good or average or bad that is. I never expected a give-away and have never had one before.

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    I did one Goodreads giveaway and wasn't impressed with the results. Several hundred people entered, but it seemed like many were doing so quite randomly, without knowing what the contents of the book were - and since it's m/m erotic romance that could mean a bit of a shock to some of them! LOL. I'm not saying they are all looking to get freebies to resell. Some might be. Many more are likely just people who love books and might as well enter for a chance to win a free one.

    The winner certainly hadn't realised that was the type of book it was, so I can only hope he did put it on eBay/Amazon marketplace and a fan of the genre bought it.

    There was no jump in the number of people marking it as read and reviewing/rating it later, so the people who didn't win didn't go on to buy it anyway.

    Since then with my print releases I've done giveaways on blogs and guest posts that are aimed at fans of the genre. That way it seems more likely they'll be read, hopefully by a new reader to me, rather than languishing on someone's to read stack as "that free one I got off Goodreads". Fewer people enter, but at least I know they are people who are genuinely interested in the book.

    I think the giveaways would work if your books have quite wide appeal, but if they're in a more niche genre, it's probably better to target specialist sites.
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    Agreed, if they leave a review, I don't care what they do with it. Not at all concerned about the money.

    I'll continue doing Goodreads Giveaways just for promotion's sake. I had 100+ folk mark my book as TBR based off one giveaway. That's better than 0.

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    My publisher at RegalCrest shipped me (from the USA to Japan) fifteen books of my first two novels with them, Twisted and Lindsay Versus the Marauders. I spent a fair amount of cash sending them to giveaway winners on Goodreads. Most of the recipients were kind enough to thank me...a few never bothered, and I don't think it was because they disliked the book. They just couldn't be bothered.

    ARC's are so much easier even though they're not formatted properly (and they're not intended to be, AFAIK). If the giveaways turn out to lead to more sales, all the better, but I can only hope. Right now, I just have to keep writing.

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    Goodreads

    I couldn't find an existing thread on here so I started this one.

    Just a note to say that you can no longer add your own books to lists on Listopia anymore.

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    That kind of sucks. How are some books going to make it onto lists otherwise? I guess you could ask a friend to add it. But still.
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    Was it possibly because some authors were adding their own books to every list they could find, with little regard to appropriateness?

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    Probably, but if you add your books to the right list I cannot see what was wrong with it. I tried to add my cowboy mm books to a list that was for cowboy mm books. I personally never cared if an author added their own books to specific appropriate lists because it helped me to find books of that theme that I wanted to read. I guess others felt differently and complained.

    It won't do anything. All people will do is get their friends, other authors, or their street teams to add their books and vote them up. Making this rule does nothing.

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    Yes, the type of author who was abusing the system will continue to abuse the system through friends or ghost accounts, and the type of author who would respect it will lose out. Sad.
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    I always thought the Listopia Lists weren't for authors to use with their own works anyway. I've only added other author works I've liked...Gets confusing out there.

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    If the author's book fits a list, I see no problem with them adding it to that list. It will stay at the bottom unless people like it, but at least it's on there, saying, "Yes, I'm a book that fits this category too."
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