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    Intrigue Publishing

    Has anyone ever heard of this publishing company? Their sire doesn't even distinguish if they are a self publishing company or traditional. Since it doesn't say, I tend to assume they may be self publish.

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    http://www.intriguepublishing.com/

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    Doesn't appear to be self-pub, no. They claim to pay advances against royalties.

    Intrigue's COO has published several thrillers with the firm; a cursory glance at Amazon suggests their covers and typesetting aren't up to trade standards. My guess is that what we have here is a group of authors setting up a small press.

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    Strictly speaking, a company can't be a "self publishing company" because self publishing involves doing it all yourself. With most of these companies, you end up paying over the odds for substandard services and won't sell many copies of your books.

    I think Torgo has it about right.

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    Thank you all and Old Hack, I apologize, I meant did they only offer self publishing services. The site looked pretty cheap and I could tell there was something not right about their company. Thanks again.

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    From Intrigue's website:

    President - Denise Camacho
    Denise Camacho is the president of Intrigue Publishing. With over 10 years in the publishing realm, she brings her knowledge and expertise to those wanting to branch out and become published authors. As the president, Denise has the responsibility to review new submissions and make recommendations to the acquisitions team, that are worthy of becoming properties under the Intrigue Publishing banner. Her other responsibilities include managing contract negotiations with potential authors.
    http://www.intriguepublishing.com/about.htm
    According to her LinkedIn profile (http://www.linkedin.com/in/denisecamacho) Intrigue Publishing was founded in January 2004 - other sources give the date as 2006, 2007 and 2010. No other previous experience in publishing is mentioned.

    Ms Camacho's husband is also involved with Intrigue:

    Chief Operating Officer - Austin Camacho
    Austin Camacho is the COO of Intrigue Publishing. With over 12 years of experience in the publishing industry, he brings a wealth of knowledge and knowhow to the publishing world.
    From an interview with Mr Camacho dated May 2011 (my italics):

    I had never heard of Intrigue Publishing. When I visited the web site, it appears to be a self-publishing company. Have you published other books through Intrigue?
    Yes, Intrigue Publishing is my lovely wife Denise’s company and she has published only one other author.

    Why did you choose to use a self-publishing company rather than a tradition publisher?
    Originally I published through a Print On Demand company, because I lacked the patience to wait for a traditional publisher to realize I had a marketable product. I soon learned that I could do everything they did for me as well or better than they did, without handing someone else a pile of money. Subsequently I did place one of my novels with a small press but again, it turns out that I can do what needs to be done better and the finances work out a lot more in my favor.
    http://writenowrightnow.blogspot.co....o-russian.html
    Those are not the words of someone able to bring 'a wealth of knowledge and knowhow to the publishing world', or at least to the world of real publishing. In addition to his thrillers Mr Camacho is the author of Successfully Marketing Your Novel in the 21st Century (Intrigue Publishing), the Amazon blurb for which says:

    Mystery and thriller writer Austin S. Camacho offers hundreds of winning tactics that he has personally used to get his six novels onto the shelves of major bookstores and into the hands of thousands of readers.
    http://www.amazon.com/Successfully-M...stin+s+camacho
    So Intrigue can get their books into bookstores? Perhaps someone from the company could tell us more about that.

    Mr Camacho is also the author of Successfully Marketing Print-on-Demand Fiction, published by vanity press Infinity Publishing.

    Marketing Director - Sandra Bowman
    Sandra Bowman is the Marketing Director of Intrigue Publishing. Bowman came to Intrigue Publishing with over 5 years of experience in marketing. As a published author of 2 novels and currently working on a mystery, Bowman has shown that she has what it takes to bring authors along in the world that she calls "Author ville." She actively participates in local events that encourage young people to use their creative minds to weave a story.
    Sandra Bowman is also known as Sandra B Swangin Webster, and is the author of two novels published by Passionate Writer Publishing (which has its own thread here: http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205645) From her LinkedIn profile:

    I am the marketing director for Intrigue Publishing. I come to this company with great experience because I am also an author and know what works.
    There is no mention of what her previous experience in marketing entailed, and her "day job" appears to have nothing to do with marketing:

    Student Data Accounting
    Charles County Board of Education
    Educational Institution; 1001-5000 employees; Education Management industry
    November 1997 – Present (15 years 5 months)

    Responsible for making sure that 1,000+ students have a schedule and maintaining the database for the teachers master schedule
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sandra-b...ter/18/428/300
    I also came across this interview:

    Sandra: So tell our viewers what you are up to

    B. Well I have just been contracted by Intrigue for my novels

    Sandra: Congratulations...

    B. Thank you. I'm so very excited.

    Sandra: Tell us a little about Intriuge

    B. Well they are a small press in Maryland and they are creating some serious waves in the publishing pool.

    Sandra: Like what?

    B. Well, for one they offer advances. And no other small press does that

    Sandra: Wow. A small press offering advances.

    B. Yes, there motto is: Making good writers into great authors. They believe that you can't ask authors to create a masterpiece without giving them some incentive.
    http://bswanginwebster.webs.com/upcloseandpersonal.htm
    Intrigue Publishing is the only small press giving advances? Really?!
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    Intrigue Publishing is the only small press giving advances? Really?!

    Yeah, I have a list of 34 small presses and large independents that pay small to medium advances. Curious to know what they consider a fair or viable advance.

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    Just got a full request from them. They're very swift--cordial.

    tri

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    Contract offer. This is the sixth contract offer I've had for The Girl They Sold to the Moon in three months, now that the fulls are being read. There are still 10 more fulls out there and my agent has her subs out there.

    Two months response on the full--very cordial--offering negotiable advance. Once again, agent has to take this one and sort this little swarm out. I don't envy her a bit--I would NOT know what to do in this case.

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    How does the advance stack up against the other independent publishers on your list? Token amount or comparable with better known small presses?

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    Haven't got the contract yet--this just happened. What I'm seeing is, from these smaller houses who claim negotiable or small advances, is $100 to $300 or a bit more. Then there are those that go up to the $1,000 to $2,500 range. I typically think the "token" advances are under $100 or so. Ralans publisher index lists some actual figures and they seem to be all over the place, but there does appear to be vague/approximate averages.

    Anything over $2,500, I would consider large independents or even medium-size publishing houses, if there is such a thing still in existence and coined as such.

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    The $200 advance I got from another publisher for TTB never earned out in 3 years. Hopefully The Bitches will do better in the second go 'round.

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    I know exactly what you mean, Chumplet. I have one book like that and another that's dragging its feet. The SF book did much better and made some money, although it wasn't offered an advance.

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    OMG, Tri, you're on fire here!!! Now you have some good options. So what does Intrigue pay in advances roughly?

    I haven't even heard of them till just now.
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    Congrats, Tri! Make your agent earn their percentage!

    At first glance, the thing that really stands out is that their "Latest News" on their homepage is an upcoming events announcement for a conference that was held last September. Really? Nothing has happened between then and now?

    They misspelled one of their own author's names (ouch!): Penny Clover Peterson should be Petersen. D.B. Corey who has a book coming out with them in August has a blog here - http://www.dbcorey.blogspot.com that chronicles part of his experience with Intrigue and this part caught my eye:
    But the publisher has the copy that says Approved Final Copy. If you change it, then it won’t be the approved final copy anymore. So you bite the bullet and send them the NEW Approved Final Copy—Ver2! Then you hope LegalZoom hasn’t sent it to the Copyright Office yet or it’s gonna cost you more money and you call them and tell them to trash the one you sent yesterday and use this NEW Ver2!
    (bolding added) I'm not sure if the bolded refers to, "OMG! The publisher's going to be mad because I'm costing them money!" or, "OMG! This is going to cost me more money!".
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    So, how are sales, Tri?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaoPaux View Post
    So, how are sales, Tri?
    Oh, Cao. Sales are really abysmal and have been since its second month of publication up until now.

    (Undercover)--My advance is about three times what Chumplet got upstream there, and I sure haven't earned out. I don't think I ever will. My agent pulled that deal. Intrigue gave me a stunningly beautiful cover. Jeeze, it's got glitter in and it's full of soft tones. Really feminine, which I like for the gals.

    Major problem with this publisher--no promotion or marketing. ALL of it is left to author. We used to get reminders every day to hit up FB and Twitter. It almost got to the point of social media abuse. You are also expected to cross-promote all the authors in their stable. I've never had a marketing manager bring out the buggy whip so much and start swinging.

    The Good--real nice covers, good editing and very good retail prices. Average communication skills.

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    They're closed to submissions now. And we were just talking about that too, Tri.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undercover View Post
    They're closed to submissions now. And we were just talking about that too, Tri.
    Yes, we were. Intrigue could do real well if they pushed for guest blogs and book reviews. They supposedly have some kind of semi-distribution deal going on. I think is was IPG's small press arm. I could be wrong. We got notice of it months ago.
    The owners do hit up every conference they can attend. I'll give them that. And if they want a book bad enough, they cut loose with the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triceretops View Post
    Oh, Cao. Sales are really abysmal and have been since its second month of publication up until now.
    Sorry to hear that, tri.

    Major problem with this publisher--no promotion or marketing. ALL of it is left to author. We used to get reminders every day to hit up FB and Twitter. It almost got to the point of social media abuse. You are also expected to cross-promote all the authors in their stable. I've never had a marketing manager bring out the buggy whip so much and start swinging.

    The Good--real nice covers, good editing and very good retail prices. Average communication skills.
    Dear lord. That is NOT how books are sold in good number. It's fine for writers to promote their books on social media a little bit but too much is off-putting; and if their efforts aren't properly supported by their publishers, there's no point at all in making those efforts.

    This makes it sound as though they really don't know what they're doing when it comes to selling books. One to avoid, then.

    Quote Originally Posted by triceretops View Post
    Yes, we were. Intrigue could do real well if they pushed for guest blogs and book reviews. They supposedly have some kind of semi-distribution deal going on. I think is was IPG's small press arm. I could be wrong. We got notice of it months ago.
    The owners do hit up every conference they can attend. I'll give them that. And if they want a book bad enough, they cut loose with the money.
    What conferences do they attend? If they're writers' conferences, there's little point in the publishers focusing on them as they are for writers, not readers, and won't sell many copies.

    If they don't have proper distribution it's no surprise their sales are so poor.

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    They mention that they attend conferences associated with Thriller Writers of ...(whatever), Mystery Writers of...(whatever) and I think the big Romance group. I think they've been to BEA a few times. We were also asked to join a few of these. I know that I've never seen so many small press authors sponsor and conduct their own book signings. Got an email this morning about listing the foods your MC loves and can't do without. I forget where it was going or where this info was going to be showcased. I erased this message, largely because I didn't understand the angle of it. Either it's brilliantly innovative or a complete waste of time.

    I like them, they reach out and keep us in the loop. They're a friendly bunch. But that doesn't help sales one iota.
    Last edited by triceretops; 04-14-2016 at 11:51 PM.

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