Brad Bird: Sometimes dream sequences are okay. All I know is that the first pain reliever you reach for--
Mark Andrews: --is the dream!
Brad Bird: Well, yeah, the fantasy sequence or the dream sequence because basically you’re looking for a way to say certain things, and the easiest way is to just say them in an abstract way that is not, you know, you don’t have to work into your reality. And then have somebody go (sound of a person dramatically waking up), you know?
Mark Andrews: (laughs)
Brad Bird: You know what I mean?
Mark Andrews: Yeah, that’s exactly what we did! That exactly.
Brad Bird: Yeah, and they can be good. They have been good. There are films that have them. I’m not saying that it’s always a bad idea, but I’m saying that usually, I’m learning, that they are an early solution that you use as kind of a Scotch tape measure to get an idea in a film that you don’t have a better way of doing.