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    Thumbs down Vatican official: No, WE'RE being persecuted!

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    So the Inquisition says it's... being... persecuted.





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    Basically, the persecutors whining that they're not being allowed to persecute.
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    If they were actually being persecuted (which they're not), it would prove the existence of Karma.

    From the article: Yeah, because an egalitarian, communal utopia would be such a terrible thing. The Catholic Church is just mad that the world has finally chosen to stop living in their medieval dystopia.


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    I clicked through, thinking it had to be an article from The Onion.

    I'm too angry to comment further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by callalily61 View Post
    So the Inquisition says it's... being... persecuted.





    *head explodes*
    QFT

    Have people noticed how common a tactic it is for the oppressive and bullying to whine that any attempt to stop them oppressing and bullying others is oppression and bullying of them?

    As if religious freedom only meant the freedom for them to hurt who they like, and if they are not allowed to then they are not free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by callalily61 View Post
    So the Inquisition says it's... being... persecuted.
    Where is Michael Palin and that silly red costume when we really need him?

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    I always hate it when some religious groups (emphasis on some) are some comfortable being full of hate that they will claim that their stance on gays/single mothers/other religions is their religious beliefs and should be respected and their right to discriminate be protected.

    Yeah...um...that's not cool. "Tolerance" should not extend to people who want to discrimante against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantis View Post
    I always hate it when some religious groups (emphasis on some) are some comfortable being full of hate that they will claim that their stance on gays/single mothers/other religions is their religious beliefs and should be respected and their right to discriminate be protected.
    They don't just expect their right to discriminate to be protected. They expect civil law to also discriminate based on their beliefs.

    These articles don't make me angry, though. I enjoy watching the Catholic Church dig themselves deeper into obsolescence by dogmatically clinging to beliefs the modern world no longer supports. It's like listening to the Republicans, but with more funny hats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasing the Horizon View Post
    If they were actually being persecuted (which they're not), it would prove the existence of Karma.

    From the article:
    Yeah, because an egalitarian, communal utopia would be such a terrible thing. The Catholic Church is just mad that the world has finally chosen to stop living in their medieval dystopia.
    And so un-Christ-like, too (the bolded part).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasing the Horizon View Post
    I enjoy watching the Catholic Church dig themselves deeper into obsolescence by dogmatically clinging to beliefs the modern world no longer supports.
    I can't say I enjoy watching this slow train-wreck, but it will be damn interesting to see how the Princes of the Church of Rome respond whenever Pope Irrelevant XVI goes away. JPII and his successor have packed the College of Cardinals with like-minds. The likelihood of any significant change of course seems pretty remote, but money does talk, even to an organization as hide-bound as the Vatican. I can't imagine they are seeing an increase in faithful followers.

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    Somewhere in the organization, someone's noticed something.
    Just as I've noticed the ads on television for Catholics to 'come home' to the Church. Now, that's an act of desperation.
    (The ads themselves, not the 'coming home', if you feel so inclined.)

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    In an interview published on Saturday by Germany newspaper Die Welt, Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Mueller likened the sentiment directed at the Catholic Church to that of the persecution against Jews in Europe during World War II.

    Absolutely f****** outrageous.
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    What Müller said:

    "Targeted discreditation campaigns against the Catholic Church in North America and also here in Europe have led to clerics in some areas being insulted in public. An artificially created fury is growing here which sometimes reminds one of a pogrom sentiment."
    Not defending it at all, just clarifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robeiae View Post
    What Müller said:

    Not defending it at all, just clarifying.
    That's not any better. Isn't that shit against the law in Germany? Or are the Chruch exempt from the consequences of attempting to diminish the Holocaust?

    Anyway, fuck them. And may they the find peace in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robeiae View Post
    What Müller said:

    Not defending it at all, just clarifying.
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    Good point on the clarification, but still, equating this 'persecution' to a "pogrom sentiment" really reeks of victim mentality and in my opinion, is the wrong comparison to draw.

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    Are we not allowed to criticise the Catholic Church then?
    Like hell! When there's shit like this around
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    I can't get the article to come up but I see a lot of personal judgment in the posts here. I agree with most of them, in principle, and can find little in history to indicate any degree of great (meaning 'good') leadership by the Catholic church. The world could easily do without most of their history.

    On the other hand, as a religious organizaton in the US, they do have the right to believe in what they want to. As long as they don't cross the line to take control of civil action in a manner that amounts to persecution of anyone. (or break other laws)Lobbying, advertisement, etc are permissable.

    I think, at least here, they do themselves more harm than good with the stance. That ain't such a bad thing in my opinion. There is a reason they are having to beg for Catholics to return and hope they can attract new believers.

    We have the right to criticize them, and if that's what the article is about, then it is a whine. If it's about legal pressure to make them change, then their complaint is legit.

    They are being persecuted when we try to control their beliefs and/or punish them if they don't come around. That's more than slightly unconstitutional in the US. I don't know about the constitutions in the rest of the world.

    As in any other religion, members have the option to change the church from within or leave it if it doesn't serve their needs. It is not that the church has changed it's beliefs and controls the only gate to heaven. It is more that world and the membership have drifted (sped away) from their traditional doctorine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waylander View Post
    Are we not allowed to criticise the Catholic Church then?
    Like hell! When there's shit like this around
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0205/366...blished-today/
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    Ah the catholic church. Lets us all step back and watch as they dig their way into becoming nothing more than a Brotherhood of Funny Hats.

    ...is what I'd like to say but I'm getting married in a few months, so I need to brace through several "talks" about how right they are and say "blessed is the Lord" after someone reads from the Bible. No, really.
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    You don't sound like you are going to be an active member, somehow.
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    That's right, Kaiser, they reverted to the pre-Vatican II Mass responses. I'd forgotten. You're going through RCIA? Courage!

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    I think claiming persecution as a way of persecuting someone else goes back to blood libel, and further.
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