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    Teacher fired for breaking the ice.

    Not to mention for touching the tuchuse of a young boy and having him do the same.

    A Manhattan judge upheld the firing of substitute teacher Celestine Sam last week after she rubbed the back of a 9-year-old boy in front of the class and then had him return the favor.

    During the reciprocal rubdown at Brooklynís PS 17 in Feb. 2009, both the 35-year-old teacher and student touched each otherís tuchuses, according to court documents.

    I think this conduct should be beneath an teacher. In my mind, there's no butt's about it, she crossed a line.

    Anyone have any thoughts? Or just want to crack a joke or two?




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    I kind of feel bad for her when I read she was doing something specific she'd learned elsewhere.

    But yeah, touching your student's butt, not a good idea. Ever. Poor judgement in her part.

    Also, I learned something today. Thought it was "tooshie"

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    Can't we just put this behind us?

    Turn the other cheek?
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    Quote Originally Posted by missesdash View Post
    I kind of feel bad for her when I read she was doing something specific she'd learned elsewhere.

    But yeah, touching your student's butt, not a good idea. Ever. Poor judgement in her part.

    Also, I learned something today. Thought it was "tooshie"
    That's a different word. Tuchuse is pronounced TOOK-us. Means the same thing.

    It's pretty weird, and I'm not surprised she was fired. What was she thinking?
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    I'm with Celia: What was she thinking? She learned some variation of the 'trust exercise' in some non-education course (and I hate to think what the world will make of 'rub-down' missionaries) and applied it to teaching?
    Did none of her teacher training classes explain 'No Touching'? She's not some twenty-something, fresh out of teacher college - doesn't she read the papers? Professional articles? Discuss this cool new thing she learned with colleagues? Who I would hope would try to stop her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celia Cyanide View Post
    That's a different word. Tuchuse is pronounced TOOK-us. Means the same thing.

    It's pretty weird, and I'm not surprised she was fired. What was she thinking?
    Oh! Well I learned something else because I've never heard that word before. Weird.

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    I can't imagine how or why she thought that was a good idea. Not at all.
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    Female teacher massages a little boy's ass equates to, What was she thinking? She deserves to be fired.

    Male teacher massages a little boy's ass, or a girl's, and you can bet we'd be calling for his balls and a long prison sentence.

    Until those scenarios are viewed as equally egregious, we're not getting anywhere in protecting children from adults who would harm them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celia Cyanide View Post
    That's a different word. Tuchuse is pronounced TOOK-us. Means the same thing.

    It's pretty weird, and I'm not surprised she was fired. What was she thinking?
    It's usually (properly) spelled "tokus" or "tokhes." Yiddish.

    And "tooshie" or just "tush" is actually the same word, just spelled differently and mis-pronounced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by missesdash View Post
    Oh! Well I learned something else because I've never heard that word before. Weird.
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    I have to wonder how strongly they are emphasising to the teacher about ethics and appropriate behavior in those education classes the teachers have to take to get their degree...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver King View Post
    Female teacher massages a little boy's ass equates to, What was she thinking? She deserves to be fired.

    Male teacher massages a little boy's ass, or a girl's, and you can bet we'd be calling for his balls and a long prison sentence.

    Until those scenarios are viewed as equally egregious, we're not getting anywhere in protecting children from adults who would harm them.
    Reminds me of this story of a woman only getting 5 years in prison (she will have to serve at least half that time) for having sex with underage kids http://www.livermorevalleynews.com/2...in-prison.html

    and this one from a teacher in the same area
    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...lting-student/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver King View Post
    Female teacher massages a little boy's ass equates to, What was she thinking? She deserves to be fired.

    Male teacher massages a little boy's ass, or a girl's, and you can bet we'd be calling for his balls and a long prison sentence.

    Until those scenarios are viewed as equally egregious, we're not getting anywhere in protecting children from adults who would harm them.
    I wouldn't if the context was the same (someone to verify it was a specific excercise) but I would definitely consider it a much much larger judgement fail because the reactions tend to differ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver King View Post
    Female teacher massages a little boy's ass equates to, What was she thinking? She deserves to be fired.

    Male teacher massages a little boy's ass, or a girl's, and you can bet we'd be calling for his balls and a long prison sentence.

    Until those scenarios are viewed as equally egregious, we're not getting anywhere in protecting children from adults who would harm them.
    On the other hand, if it were a football coach smacking a player on the butt for encouragement as they left the locker room, no one would have a problem with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver King View Post
    Female teacher massages a little boy's ass equates to, What was she thinking? She deserves to be fired.

    Male teacher massages a little boy's ass, or a girl's, and you can bet we'd be calling for his balls and a long prison sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver King View Post
    Female teacher massages a little boy's ass equates to, What was she thinking? She deserves to be fired.

    Male teacher massages a little boy's ass, or a girl's, and you can bet we'd be calling for his balls and a long prison sentence.

    Until those scenarios are viewed as equally egregious, we're not getting anywhere in protecting children from adults who would harm them.
    Quote Originally Posted by kuwisdelu View Post
    On the other hand, if it were a football coach smacking a player on the butt for encouragement as they left the locker room, no one would have a problem with it.

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    Well, I guess there's touching and there's touching.

    I give my students a pet on the shoulders if they do well. I've taken unruly boys by the arm when it was needed. I've slung my arm around the shoulders of a girl when she told me sobbingly how her parents mistreated her. Hell, I've even received hugs from students after the graduation ceremony. Touch is a way human express themselves and it can be very powerful and useful.

    Ofcourse, the touches I described are thouroughly non-sexual. I would never touch a students bum, or massage them or anything like it. But I don't want to dismiss the power of touch right off the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perks View Post
    Brain officially broken. I can't even imagine how this could happen today.
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    Well, she lost what was already a temporary job for what was probably an accidental action. It seems reasonably proportional to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince524 View Post
    Offer up your tuchuse and we can show you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robeiae View Post
    Tokus.
    You butt out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perks View Post
    I'm not in the fourth grade. Only mentally...

    You butt in!




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    Quote Originally Posted by robeiae View Post
    It's usually (properly) spelled "tokus" or "tokhes." Yiddish.

    And "tooshie" or just "tush" is actually the same word, just spelled differently and mis-pronounced.
    It has about 15 different accepted spellings according to my Jewish MIL who sometimes calls me a toches lecker (ass kisser). The only truly proper spelling is הינטן. The English spelling is just slang.
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