AW Amazon Store

If this site is helpful to you,
Please consider a voluntary subscription to defray ongoing expenses.


 

Welcome to the AbsoluteWrite Water Cooler! Please read The Newbie Guide To Absolute Write

Results 1 to 19 of 19

Thread: Professional Book-Editing-Services.com

  1. #1
    A Broken Keeper GHWard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    The Caribbean
    Posts
    77

    Professional Book-Editing-Services.com

    I came across this advert link while checking my email. Can anyone offer any advice as to their reputation (i.e. has anyone used their services... what has your experience been?)

    http://www.book-editing-services.com...FRQcnAod3TwAUg

  2. #2
    a demon for tea EMaree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    4,461
    Check up at the top of this forum for some wise advise.

    A publisher or agency using Google ads to solicit your novel probably isn't anyone you want to write for.
    And to name some specifics issues:

    • The lack of any named editors or clearly stated credentials makes is a big red flag for me.
    • It seems like a huuuge venture, with UK, NZ, AU, US and Canadian numbers. A lot of reputable editing organisations are single-person ventures of very small teams, it's not really a field for 'corporate' style staffing.
    • Stock pictures. Stock pictures everywhere. None of these people look like they're actually part of the company.
    • The site is horrible to navigate.
    • The site also uses a very generic 'online business' style and doesn't seem geared towards writing. They could be selling anything.
    • Testimonials section is just names, no titles for actual published work.
    • Slogan is "editing for you 24/7". Real editors need sleep. Editing isn't the kind of job you want to rush out as quickly as possible.

    I'm sure the other members can point out many more issues.
    Last edited by EMaree; 01-16-2013 at 02:36 PM.
    Website/Blog | Twitter | Instagram (Dog Pics!)
    Avatar by Britt. Still the same teademon (or teadragon, depending who you ask).

    I have an agent!

    Writing:
    M/M British Urban Fantasy
    With Agent (eeee): Giant Robots Project

  3. #3
    Just the facts, please
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    587
    Looks like an online car insurance site.

  4. #4
    Your Genial Uncle Absolute Sage James D. Macdonald's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Posts
    25,566
    ONLY Native English Editors

    We do NOT outsource to the Philippines, India or other areas of the world where English is simply a complementary “mother” language.
    Our editors are born native speakers of English and have achieved all their education and training in the first language of English.
    Book-Editing-Services.com’s editors are originally from the US, Canada, England, New Zealand, Australia and other similar English-speaking countries.
    Insert glyph of me pinching the bridge of my nose and shaking my head.

  5. #5
    but appreciated anyway... Unimportant's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Aotearoa
    Posts
    5,453
    This has got to be the oddest breakdown of book types I've ever seen:

  6. #6
    On a small world west of wonder LindaJeanne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    745
    Quote Originally Posted by Unimportant View Post
    This has got to be the oddest breakdown of book types I've ever seen:
    Reminds me of Borges' breakdown of the different kinds of animals:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celesti...#39;s_Taxonomy
    "A story told, that can't be real / yet somehow must reflect the truth we feel..." -- Black Sabbath / Ronnie James Dio

  7. #7
    Wilde about Oscar aliceshortcake's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Oop North
    Posts
    1,625
    Well, if you're a first time black Christian author you're certainly spoiled for choice...

  8. #8
    practical experience, FTW areteus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Manchester UK
    Posts
    2,637
    Freelance farm by the looks of it. They charge a premium and then give the work either to a bunch of freelance workers they have the contact details for and pay a pittance to or post it up on freelance sites to the lowest bidder who can prove they are a native speaker and keep the profit.

    Either way you get what they pay for which is not likely to be a skilled editor with industry experience but rather a basic copyeditor who may be capable of spotting spelling mistakes that your spellchecker would have caught anyway.

    I have seen jobs like this posted on guru.com and similar sites and the pay is never good. No one with any decent experience would be bidding on them and even if they did they'd likely get underbid massively by someone with a lot less experience.

  9. #9
    a demon for tea EMaree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    4,461
    Quote Originally Posted by areteus View Post
    Freelance farm by the looks of it. They charge a premium and then give the work either to a bunch of freelance workers they have the contact details for and pay a pittance to or post it up on freelance sites to the lowest bidder who can prove they are a native speaker and keep the profit.

    Either way you get what they pay for which is not likely to be a skilled editor with industry experience but rather a basic copyeditor who may be capable of spotting spelling mistakes that your spellchecker would have caught anyway.
    They seem very determined to say otherwise:

    No Freelance Editors
    Freelance editors miss deadlines, ignore emails, avoid phone calls, request more money and let their private lives interrupt your paid editing.
    Stop searching! We have an experienced, qualified TEAM of professional book editors ready to assist you.
    Our editors are full-time professionals with a minimum of 10 years experience in editing, proofreading, writing, critiquing, publishing, etc.
    Website/Blog | Twitter | Instagram (Dog Pics!)
    Avatar by Britt. Still the same teademon (or teadragon, depending who you ask).

    I have an agent!

    Writing:
    M/M British Urban Fantasy
    With Agent (eeee): Giant Robots Project

  10. #10
    practical experience, FTW areteus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Manchester UK
    Posts
    2,637
    Protesting too much, perhaps?

  11. #11
    Writer Beware Goddess Absolute Sage victoriastrauss's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Far from the madding crowd
    Posts
    6,670
    All you need to to assess this service is to look at the sample edits it provides. Editors include Dr. Natasha and Anita.

    The samples demonstrate both the level of editing (rudimentary, essentially limited to spelling/typo corrections and grammar tinkering) and the level of client the service typically deals with (given that these are the samples the service believes are representative of its work).

    The fact that the version of Track Changes they're using doesn't appear to be English kind of gives the lie to their claim that "Book-Editing-Services.comís editors are originally from the US, Canada, England, New Zealand, and Australia."

    - Victoria

  12. #12
    a demon for tea EMaree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    4,461
    Book-Editing-Services.com’s editors are originally from the US, Canada, England, New Zealand, Australia and other similar English-speaking countries.
    How very unusual that both the editors in their samples seem to be using a Swedish (based on a translation of a few words, sorry if this is off) edition of MS Office. That immediately makes me think a) their officer's IT technician has obtained a copy of MS Office using some rather dubious methods or b) they have a significant staff base in Sweden.

    As much as I love Sweden, a truly beautiful part of the world, it's laws are very lax on certain subjects and that's caused it to attract (lucrative) trouble in the past. I don't know what their laws are regarding literature and written interllectual property, but it makes me a little bit uneasy when a company seems to be deliberately hiding Swedish links.

    Can one of our tech-y types run a WHOIS on the site? I'm currently behind a firewall.
    Last edited by EMaree; 01-17-2013 at 02:05 PM. Reason: typos
    Website/Blog | Twitter | Instagram (Dog Pics!)
    Avatar by Britt. Still the same teademon (or teadragon, depending who you ask).

    I have an agent!

    Writing:
    M/M British Urban Fantasy
    With Agent (eeee): Giant Robots Project

  13. #13
    On a small world west of wonder LindaJeanne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    745
    Quote Originally Posted by EMaree View Post
    Can one of our tech-y types run a WHOIS on the site? I'm currently behind a firewall.


    http://www.whois.com/whois/book-editing-services.com

    Unsurprisingly, they're using a registrar proxy to hide the site owner information: http://www.DomainsByProxy.com


    Edited to Add:
    A search on the US Phone Number they give brings up a plethora of sites:
    http://www.copy-editing-services.com
    http://www.manuscript-editing-services.com
    http://www.thesis-editing-services.com
    http://fiction-editing-services.com
    http://www.book-editing-services.com
    http://www.academic-editing-service.com
    http://www.dissertation-editing-services.com

    And, um, I thought they said they didn't use freelance editors?
    http://www.professional-editing-serv...itors_jobs.php
    (And what sort of freelance editor would want to work for them, given their attitude about freelance editors as quoted up-thread?)


    And more sites found with the UK phone number:
    http://www.ezspeechwriters.com
    http://www.firstediting.com
    Last edited by LindaJeanne; 01-17-2013 at 12:16 AM.
    "A story told, that can't be real / yet somehow must reflect the truth we feel..." -- Black Sabbath / Ronnie James Dio

  14. #14
    Your Genial Uncle Absolute Sage James D. Macdonald's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Posts
    25,566
    Did y'all notice that in the first paragraph of the sample edit of a novel that they display, poor Anita missed a hideous typo?

    Her whole body shivered and her heart skipped a heat.

    Never mind the cliche. Surely the author meant to type "...her heart skipped a beat."

    This is what they're pointing to as an example of what you can expect? This is a particularly good edit? They're proud of this one?

    Oh my stars, this is .... my words, failing me.

    Anita doesn't have a clue about capitalization, is shaky at best on comma usage, and doesn't flag a single cliche. Her suggested rephrasings are no better than the original author's words.

    Running your manuscript through Word with the grammar-checker turned on would give you a better edit. (I note that no true editing has taken place. Editing involves plot and scene and character and all those things that a MicroSoft Word can't give you.)

  15. #15
    Cultus Gopherus MacAllister Medievalist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    An meodoheall monig dreama full
    Posts
    25,525
    A Website offering editorial services that appears

    • to have been constructed by someone less than acquainted with standard English
    • or with professional editing practices
    • or that fails to offer names of editors and their specific qualifications


    is a very large red flag.
    Last edited by Medievalist; 01-17-2013 at 08:57 PM.

    AW Admin: This account is rarely active
    About.Me
    AWers On Twitter
    Lisa L. Spangenberg
    My opinions are my own. | Who else would want them?

  16. #16
    I grow my own catnip JulieB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Deep in the heart o' Texas
    Posts
    2,401
    [QUOTE=James D. Macdonald;7887949]Did y'all notice that in the first paragraph of the sample edit of a novel that they display, poor Anita missed a hideous typo?[/QUOTE}


    Quote Originally Posted by James D. Macdonald View Post
    Running your manuscript through Word with the grammar-checker turned on would give you a better edit. (I note that no true editing has taken place. Editing involves plot and scene and character and all those things that a MicroSoft Word can't give you.)
    And that still wouldn't have fixed that typo.

  17. #17
    practical experience, FTW Weirdmage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    South Yorkshire, UK
    Posts
    562
    Quote Originally Posted by EMaree View Post
    How very unusual that both the editors in their samples seem to be using a Swedish (based on a translation of a few words, sorry if this is off) edition of MS Office. That immediately makes me think a) their officer's IT technician has obtained a copy of MS Office using some rather dubious methods or b) they have a significant staff base in Sweden.

    As much as I love Sweden, a truly beautiful part of the world, it's laws are very lax on certain subjects and that's caused it to attract (lucrative) trouble in the past. I don't know what their laws are regarding literature and written interllectual property, but it makes me a little bit uneasy when a company seems to be deliberately hiding Swedish links.

    Can one of our tech-y types run a WHOIS on the site? I'm currently behind a firewall.

    I'm Norwegian myself, but can confirm that the editor in the sample I looked at is indeed using a Swedish version of MS Word.
    Scandinavians may be some of the highest level non-native English users in the world, but English is a second language for Scandinavians.

    Sweden doesn't have particularly lax laws when it comes to copyright. The reason that people, like those behind Pirate Bay, has sought refuge on Swedish servers is that they have very strict laws about giving out information about who uses the servers placed there.

    When it comes to using these services... There's no doubt that they are lying about their editors being native English speakers, at least judging from the samples they chose to put online.
    And it makes me wonder what else they are not telling the truth about.

  18. #18
    a demon for tea EMaree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    4,461
    Thanks for the info Weirdmage, and sorry for my misinterpretation of your neighbouring country's laws.

    I definitely wouldn't touch these guys with a ten-foot-pole.
    Website/Blog | Twitter | Instagram (Dog Pics!)
    Avatar by Britt. Still the same teademon (or teadragon, depending who you ask).

    I have an agent!

    Writing:
    M/M British Urban Fantasy
    With Agent (eeee): Giant Robots Project

  19. #19
    A Broken Keeper GHWard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    The Caribbean
    Posts
    77
    Thank you all. I appreciate your help in this matter

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Custom Search