Welcome to the AbsoluteWrite Water Cooler! Please read The Newbie Guide To Absolute Write

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 41

Thread: It's so...bad

  1. #1
    practical experience, FTW celticroots's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    733

    It's so...bad

    I am reading over the first draft of my novel before editing. Oh.My.God. It's so bad! I can't believe there was a time when I liked what I wrote. I like the story, and have found ways to smooth it out in draft 2.

    There have been some good parts. But I've had to look through layers of suck to see them. That month off has given me a fresh perspective.

    What did you guys do when you thought your first draft was bad?

  2. #2
    The Crazy Man in the Sun. Feel me. WillSauger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    Posts
    5,048
    Throw it out, start new, throw that out, start new again, throw that out...
    Don't Fear Failure.

    "The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn" -- Alvin Toffler.

    "The heights of great men reached and kept were not attained by sudden flight, but they while their companions slept, were toiling upward in the night" -- Henry Wadsworth Longfellow.

  3. #3
    space opera-popcorn lover!
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Off the shoulder of Orion, not far from Belfast.
    Posts
    715
    Rewrite...and again... And again, write something new and then rewrote again.

    King says your first draft is written for you to know the story, the next drafts are for the reader...
    Www. Jozebedee.com
    Joz1812 - Twitter
    https://www.sffchronicles.com/forum/jo-zebedee/
    The inheritance trilogy - facebook

    Abendau's Heir, book one of the Inheritance trilogy, available from ticketyboopress.co.uk and on kindle from Amazon.

  4. #4
    I'm gonna give all my secrets away Spell-it-out's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    1,045
    Quote Originally Posted by celticroots View Post

    What did you guys do when you thought your first draft was bad?
    Beat the crap out of it until it resembles something decent. I think you have to accept that the first draft is shocking, and work from there.

    Which is better.... a sucky 1st draft, or a non-existent 1st draft? At least you can do something with the sucky draft.

    I cringed (and still do) when I look back at my first drafts, I will never show them to anyone.
    Best of luck with the re-write

  5. #5
    practical experience, FTW
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    110
    One of the downfalls of word processing is cut and paste, patching, rearranging, letting the lousy first draft dictate the next. Print the poor thing out, make some helpful scribbles on it, rewrite it from scratch and then give the first draft file on your computer a merciful burial in the recycle bin. It's just a draft, not a monument.

    The only draft that lingers around my keyboard is the most recent one.

  6. #6
    Following my North Star L. Y.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    The 5-0 (cue theme music).
    Posts
    6,052
    What did you guys do when you thought your first draft was bad?
    Edit. Edit again. Rinse, repeat.

    I like the story, and have found ways to smooth it out in draft 2.
    See what I mean?
    Write. Edit. Rinse, repeat.

    Edit with your head, write with your heart.


  7. #7
    My rhymes are bottomless Hip-Hop-a-potamus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    1,678
    Eighteen rewrites. Now I'm feeling pretty good about it.

    I'm actually a much better REwriter than I am a writer.
    The Forgotten Flapper: Release date August 1st, 2015

  8. #8
    never mind the shorty angeliz2k's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Commonwealth of Virginia--it's for lovers
    Posts
    2,557
    I'm gonna strike a slightly different note. Move on to something else if you're completely despairing of this work. That feeling might keep you from writing, which is counterproductive.

    Come back to this WIP in a few months and see if you still think it's awful. Maybe you'll find the merits in it.
    "Cotton. Cotton until Kingdom Come."

    WIP 1: Britannia c.AD 60. Trunked.
    WIP 2: Paris, 1780s.
    WIP 3: Channing. Antebellum South, 1854 Now Being Repped by an agent!
    WIP 4: Novella. Civil War w/a hint of supernatural.
    WIP 5: The Cotton Wars [prequel].
    WIP 6: Sci-fi-ish. In progress.

    My Blog: MARIE ANTOINETTE'S DIAMONDS:

  9. #9
    practical experience, FTW LJD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    2,980
    revise the shit out of it.

  10. #10
    practical experience, FTW cmi0616's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    With you in Rockland
    Posts
    1,292
    It depends. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to write the entire thing out to see that there's nothing there. Some flaws can't really be revised. For instance, the first ever attempt I made to write a novel was an utter disaster. Cliched, stereotypical characters, an unbearable mass of melodrama, a plot so weak it should be put on life support (or rather, taken off of it), etc.

    That said, if you really believe in your story, you can always start from scratch.
    Goodreads- let's be friends!
    [/COLOR][/FONT] [/FONT][/COLOR]

  11. #11
    Son, you ain't kiddin'. hillcountryannie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Louisville
    Posts
    167
    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Mehl View Post
    One of the downfalls of word processing is cut and paste, patching, rearranging, letting the lousy first draft dictate the next. Print the poor thing out, make some helpful scribbles on it, rewrite it from scratch and then give the first draft file on your computer a merciful burial in the recycle bin. It's just a draft, not a monument.

    The only draft that lingers around my keyboard is the most recent one.
    That is such great advice. I like to keep my drafts though, because I like to see the progression.

    OP, I completely feel you about the crap first drafts.

  12. #12
    jlw OhTheHorror's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    The Land Downunder
    Posts
    232
    Quote Originally Posted by Spell-it-out View Post
    Beat the crap out of it until it resembles something decent.
    Ditto.

    First drafts suck. It's the way it goes. Beat it until it doesn't suck so bad, and then beat it again.
    Current WIPs
    Horror Novel: 20,000 of 90,000 words.
    Various weird short stories.


  13. #13
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    452
    Quote Originally Posted by Spell-it-out View Post
    Beat the crap out of it until it resembles something decent.

    This. ^

  14. #14
    Grand adventurer of the couch Grunkins's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Posts
    478
    Take it in small bits. Break it down by scene.
    "Lady Ramkin's bosom rose and fell like an empire." - Terry Pratchet


  15. #15
    Super Browser triceretops's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    In a van down by the river
    Posts
    12,352
    Just hammer that sucker into shape!

  16. #16
    practical experience, FTW benluby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Georgia!!
    Posts
    714
    If you write a story and say 'oh my porcelain throne, that is soooo bad in some places' you still have room to fix it.
    A first draft is the atlas. You're not looking for exact perfection. Then you re-write it, usually after letting it stew a bit, and apply polish to it.
    Let it simmer some more, then re-write it again. Rinse and repeat, no more than a total of four times.
    Why? Because as writers, we can always figure out a way to improve something, we think.
    Then you do the queries, and send them in.
    Don't look at the story again until you've sent it in.
    If you write once, say 'this thing sucks like a Dyson', throw it in the trash and start over...you're never going to finish a story.
    That's we rewrites exist. Write it once and roll from there. When you're done with it, you'll know it.

  17. #17
    practical experience, FTW rwm4768's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    13,720
    Just remember that you've already done the part a whole lot of people never manage. You wrote a complete story from beginning to end. It's easier to work with something that already exists than it is to make something out of a blank page.

  18. #18
    My name is PJ. P-Jay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    144
    Quote Originally Posted by rwm4768 View Post
    Just remember that you've already done the part a whole lot of people never manage. You wrote a complete story from beginning to end. It's easier to work with something that already exists than it is to make something out of a blank page.
    Fantastic advice.

    @OP, keep your head up. You've already done what a lot of people will never do.

  19. #19
    Soldier, Storyteller Linda Adams's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Metropolitan District of Washington
    Posts
    4,422
    Figure out how to fix it and start revising.
    Soldier, Storyteller | AW Library: Short Fiction

    "The Sea Listens" in Enchanted Spark

  20. #20
    Whatever I did, I didn't do it. Phaeal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Providence, RI
    Posts
    9,232
    Leave the thing alone for a while. Mess with some short stories, if you like writing them, or with notes for the next novel. When you can breathe again, return to the first draft with focus -- you're not going to worry every little detail yet. You're going to figure out what you were trying to say, then design the best structure with which to say it. Building that bony and sinewy amalgamation of plot and character arcs and theme is the job of the second draft. Take your time, build it strong. The subsequent skin-fitting and polishing drafts will be easy once the skeleton is sound.
    SUMM0NED (T0R, available NOW!) Real magic becomes real trouble when Sean summons the wrong familiar.



    And so it goes.

    Follow me on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/AnneMPillsworth

    Website: http://annempillsworth.com/

  21. #21
    practical experience, FTW
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    430
    I tend to rewrite as I go along (that includes the first draft) as that crappy bit three pages back will drive me insane until I fix it or scrap it. It takes longer to write the first draft, but when I get to the end it's a lot healthier than it could've been and the second draft tends to be ironing out kinks and poor grammar. I also make sure I know the story well before I start writing so I know where I'm going from chapter to chapter - however, that may be coz I'm anally retentive like that.

  22. #22
    can totally spell Brobdinrgnagrian buzhidao's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    4,406
    I have a strong desire to print my manuscript out for the express purpose of exerting physical punishment on it.

    But I won't, because I lost some of it to a computer crash, so I'd only be punching most of it in the face.

    Rereading it to get back in the swing of things has been kind of painful. But I made myself just write little notes instead of trying to fix anything right now--I need to reconstruct the draft.

    Once I do that, I'll leave it alone for a bit. Then I'll come back and make it into an actual manuscript... likely by scrapping and rewriting some sections.

    In between, I'll work on other things to push my brains away from it. (I let myself dip into that a little already... to keep myself writing when I couldn't make myself look at the WIP.)

    Such is my current plan. Congratulations on having a first draft to tear apart...even if it doesn't feel like a congratulationy moment, it's definitely a good thing to have.

  23. #23
    practical experience, FTW
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    430
    Buzhidao - You sound like a mate of mine. He writes the whole MS in bits and drabs, sometimes the end, then a bit in the middle or the beginning with absolutely no chronological order. But it works for him as he has so little to edit in the second draft. It's sickening actually - I'd like to punch his MS for him in green envy.

  24. #24
    practical experience, FTW LJD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    2,980
    I think this might be a good time to post this quote again:

    “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. Put yourself on a deadline so that every week you will finish one story. It is only by going through a volume of work that you will close that gap, and your work will be as good as your ambitions. And I took longer to figure out how to do this than anyone I’ve ever met. It’s gonna take awhile. It’s normal to take awhile. You’ve just gotta fight your way through.” (Ira Glass)

  25. #25
    never mind the shorty angeliz2k's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Commonwealth of Virginia--it's for lovers
    Posts
    2,557
    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Mehl View Post
    One of the downfalls of word processing is cut and paste, patching, rearranging, letting the lousy first draft dictate the next. Print the poor thing out, make some helpful scribbles on it, rewrite it from scratch and then give the first draft file on your computer a merciful burial in the recycle bin. It's just a draft, not a monument.

    The only draft that lingers around my keyboard is the most recent one.
    I would advise that you DON'T delete the manuscript file. It may not be a monument, but you may want it to resurrect the good parts or just to remind yourself that you completed something. It's not so worthless that it deserves to be obliterated.
    "Cotton. Cotton until Kingdom Come."

    WIP 1: Britannia c.AD 60. Trunked.
    WIP 2: Paris, 1780s.
    WIP 3: Channing. Antebellum South, 1854 Now Being Repped by an agent!
    WIP 4: Novella. Civil War w/a hint of supernatural.
    WIP 5: The Cotton Wars [prequel].
    WIP 6: Sci-fi-ish. In progress.

    My Blog: MARIE ANTOINETTE'S DIAMONDS:

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Custom Search