Just a guess, but I suspect the NYT lawyers are pretty heavyweight compared to anyone the football team could bring on board.
The hacker group "Anonymous"
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What really bothers me is that I can almost hear the coach and the parents of these kids sitting at a school meeting.
"These are internet terrorists. They're creating a witch trial."
Instead of . . .
"Listen you little a$$holes, stop being rapists."
Sad. Truly sad.
"These are internet terrorists. They're creating a witch trial."
Instead of . . .
"Listen you little a$$holes, stop being rapists."
Sad. Truly sad.
Considering the post from their website, eyep; that's exactly what'll happen.
Anonymous and other hacktivist groups are interesting, I think, because they're a bit reminiscent of the early Victorian secret societies which gave rise to things like the Masons and the Oddfellows. At first, lots of people saw the societies as scary and powerful and a few of them were. They became a thing when people started living in cities in large numbers, and life was more chaotic and dangerous. Anyway, the parallels are interesting./fun with Victoriana
The Steubenville case is very like an awful incident many years ago in New Jersey wherein a mentally disabled girl was gang raped by a group of the town's high school football players. I read an account of the aftermath--Our Guys, by Bernard Lefkowitz. What was most disgusting was the way that town's parents and coaches used privilege to protect the rapists, all of whom were white and from prominent families. The rape was viewed almost as male hijinks that were par for the course.
This kind of thinking is ubiquitous. At my high school, the hockey team probably could have bow hunted for toddlers in the off season and I think all the adults involved would have chuckled ruefully.
The Steubenville case is very like an awful incident many years ago in New Jersey wherein a mentally disabled girl was gang raped by a group of the town's high school football players. I read an account of the aftermath--Our Guys, by Bernard Lefkowitz. What was most disgusting was the way that town's parents and coaches used privilege to protect the rapists, all of whom were white and from prominent families. The rape was viewed almost as male hijinks that were par for the course.
This kind of thinking is ubiquitous. At my high school, the hockey team probably could have bow hunted for toddlers in the off season and I think all the adults involved would have chuckled ruefully.
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I doubt they will be able to prevent a real investigation at this point. So that might be the achievement in the long run.
I read about this. A lot of them, when interviewed today, still insist the boys were "nice guys." Very sad story. I honestly can't imagine how someone could live with themselves after doing something like that? I feel like I'd have nightmares ad be unable to eat and really, thoroughly hate myself. It's disgusting.
I think anonymous is probably going to be the only reason that some justice can happen here. In small towns like this, corruption is rife, and the good old boys club is unbelievably powerful. Anonymous basically turned that whole situation on its head, by putting the screws to the people trying to cover things up by hacking their emails, and seeing what was really going on. Now that Anonymous has forced the hand of the Attorney General in Ohio, there's a much better possibility of seeing some shitheads get 10-20 with bubba.
I can see this from another perspective. I'm once again reminded of Jan Kemp who actually gave a shit about college athletes, much more than just what they could do on game night, but that they would learn something and be able to get a job after their athletic career was over. In a way, athletes are treated like soldiers - they get the best training we can afford to give them to do a very specific and narrow job, but once they can no longer do the job they're cast aside as part of society's debris.
National pressure to the higher ups in the state police to prosecute the boys to the fullest extent of the law. News agencies around the country are going to have some very tough, uncomfortable questions for the local police, state police and the government at the local level as well as the state level.
Seemingly allowed stuff like this to happen in his state, could cost the governor thousands or millions of voted, so you better believe that he'll be riding the state police to fully investigate this (as well as any softness from the local police). The Judge involved will be under the national lens, so he's not likely to wave this off as boys will be boys either.
So, in the end, it doesn't matter what the locals do about it. The pressure has been put on the higher ups and they'll likely respond.
Pressure was absolutely needed. What is so sad is that Anderson Cooper could have strolled into town and had a similar effect, I think. I've been following the story since shortly after it broke, but that wasn't national news.
One judge and the original prosecutor already recused themselves. The prosecutor tried to dissuade the victim from bringing charges. There are a lot of rumors (at least) about her son and her house the night of the attacks. She stayed prosecutor for way too long, imho.
I don't know if this thread is for the crime itself, but I read the testimony of the friends who witnessed the night, up close. Some of them filmed it.
Shouldn't it be illegal to film a rape? Those boys aren't charged, and they admitted what they did, in court.
You'd think being in the same room [willingly] would be enough to be an accomplice
But filming it? My God, what does it take to be considered an accessory to rape?
One judge and the original prosecutor already recused themselves. The prosecutor tried to dissuade the victim from bringing charges. There are a lot of rumors (at least) about her son and her house the night of the attacks. She stayed prosecutor for way too long, imho.
I don't know if this thread is for the crime itself, but I read the testimony of the friends who witnessed the night, up close. Some of them filmed it.
Shouldn't it be illegal to film a rape? Those boys aren't charged, and they admitted what they did, in court.
You'd think being in the same room [willingly] would be enough to be an accomplice
But filming it? My God, what does it take to be considered an accessory to rape?
Pressure was absolutely needed. What is so sad is that Anderson Cooper could have strolled into town and had a similar effect, I think. I've been following the story since shortly after it broke, but that wasn't national news.
One judge and the original prosecutor already recused themselves. The prosecutor tried to dissuade the victim from bringing charges. There are a lot of rumors (at least) about her son and her house the night of the attacks. She stayed prosecutor for way too long, imho.
I don't know if this thread is for the crime itself, but I read the testimony of the friends who witnessed the night, up close. Some of them filmed it.
Shouldn't it be illegal to film a rape? Those boys aren't charged, and they admitted what they did, in court.
You'd think being in the same room [willingly] would be enough to be an accomplice
What pissed me off was the kid who filmed it swore he only did it "so she would know what had happened." And then he showed half a dozen people (not including the victim) and deleted it. Okay hero, good job. *golf clap*
During a CNN interview with the state AG, he stated that they are still gathering information, want information from any sources, and further charges could be coming (re the other students who might have been involved). He also stated, thankfully, that they were not going to judge this case through the media but in court (ie, not be commenting on media reports/interviews). He also stated (and I know this is true in many states) that the state AG's office often handles the investigation and prosecution for crimes in smaller communities, simply because everyone knows everyone in those communities (and not because they're covering up for people).
As CNN commented on one photo they had, they could not verify where, when, or the circumstances under which it had been taken. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it should all be taken as gospel, so it might be a good idea not to hang the whole town, all its officials, or even the entire sports department until the facts are presented in court. Hopefully all the guilty will face punishment, and the innocent can move on with their lives.
As CNN commented on one photo they had, they could not verify where, when, or the circumstances under which it had been taken. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it should all be taken as gospel, so it might be a good idea not to hang the whole town, all its officials, or even the entire sports department until the facts are presented in court. Hopefully all the guilty will face punishment, and the innocent can move on with their lives.
No, I'm actually asking you, what has happened? Not what you think will happen. Do you have any links about what is happening with this, since Anon made it public?
ETA: While we're at it, has anything happened with the guy who allegedly harassed Amanda Todd?
Somewhere past the 3 minute mark Anonymous tells law enforcement exactly how they can find out who was there taking pictures with their cell phones. As a non-techie who can't vouch for the plausibility, it seems like a good way to at least get names of the witnesses.
The RCMP asked questions and then walked away. They were not convinced that he was the culprit.
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IF they can get the data from Instagram (meaning Facebook) then it would allow them to pinpoint the devices used, and the accounts on those devices. It would give them the when and approximately where the photos were taken. It would not, in and of itself, put the owner of said devices at the scene. Anyone in the content, on the other hand, would have much more difficulty with deniability.
That. Is. Awesome! Thanks for sharing. I can't find the energy to criticize groups like Anonymous, even if I don't agree with all of the actions that have ever been taken in their name, when they can accomplish something like that.
Saw people live blogging this today. Apparently women were up on stage recounting experiences with sexual assault and some specifically about reporting rape to the Steubenville police.
Unrelated: interesting how every protest is now a "occupy"
I submit that they were not just witnesses if they were taking pictures of a rape! (I'm not picking on you, just the situation). If they were documenting it for the immediate use of the investigation and notified authorities ASAP, that would do, imho.
Man, am I going to have to organize some sort of political movement to get standing there and filming a rape made officially illegal? WTF? Film it, send it to your friends, don't contact police, and call that legally protected behavior? It's absolutely participating in a gang rape, and I'm pissed as hell that they aren't charged with anything.
When folks ask why we need specific laws about things that already seem illegal, this is probably a good example. The local authorities are trying their best to minimize the laws we already have about rape and felonies.
The kids aren't even charged with porn charges (except one of the literal rapists). These things have been admitted under oath in a court of law; it's not like they are just rumors.
Oh, I completely agree. It's ridiculous that they aren't being held legally culpable for it. I can understand taking pictures and filming out of a grim determination to present it as evidence later, but that's not what they were doing with it and I can't think of many things more cruel and disgusting.
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Bump.
There's a petition for you Americans about the rape.
http://tinyurl.com/cbhvlbs
What think you?
There's a petition for you Americans about the rape.
http://tinyurl.com/cbhvlbs
What think you?
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The petitioner thinks that Juvenile court to adult court is a move to a "higher" court? The petitioner is ill informed.
