http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-20415188
I hope this woman gets locked away forever.
Child killed for not memorizing the Koran
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I hope this woman gets locked away forever.
I like Haskins' idea.
Although I have to say that's one way they could clean up the "No Child Left Behind" statistics. Get a passing grade or you won't be screwing up the curve the next time they're given. Preparation for "publish or perish" later in their academic life.
Although I have to say that's one way they could clean up the "No Child Left Behind" statistics. Get a passing grade or you won't be screwing up the curve the next time they're given. Preparation for "publish or perish" later in their academic life.
No, it's "just" one more sad example of one individual killing another and blaming someone/something else for it. The woman isn't the living embodiment and representation of her religion.
Sophia, no, she is not the living embodiment of her religion. Rather poorly worded on my part but all the same, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the religious leaders accepted such an act.
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Her religion is sort of beside the point isn't it? I mean, there is an Arkansas legislator pushing for the death penalty for children for simple disobedience.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/08/arkansas-republican-endorses-death-penalty-for-children/
No sane person would ever claim that this was a characteristic of Christian religion.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/08/arkansas-republican-endorses-death-penalty-for-children/
No sane person would ever claim that this was a characteristic of Christian religion.
Would you cite the relevant texts that they would base their acceptance of harming and murdering your child for not memorising the Koran upon, please? Or link to some examples where a religious leader (do you mean an Imam? Or an Ayatollah? Or... ?) has said or done something similar, that you are basing your belief on?
(I hope you don't think I'm picking on you - you've posted in Politics & Current Events, and you're expected to be able to back up your statements. I'm interested in the evidence you have.)
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Yeah, you are picking on me and I'm upset! (Not, not really).
Okay, if you want examples of apostasy, check out the links in the Wiki (I know, every scholar's choice) article on "Apostasy in Islam". See #35, 36, 40-42 at the bottom for further links. Now, to be fair, most of the leaders of Islam do NOT condone killing anyone for apostasy, citing they'll be punished in the afterlife.
However, a number of prominent Muslim figures have been targeted or killed as they allegedly went against the tenets of Islam, Salman Rushdie, as a prime example. See the links and you'll find the names of the Imams who issued edicts. Depending on the branch of Islam, they may not be binding, but Rushdie is still in hiding, isn't he?
There have been other incidents of stoning a person to death, in Pakistan fairly recently, if I'm not mistaken. In one case, the woman was spared. In another, I believe a woman was killed.
As for parents murdering their children, which I consider to be more heinous than rape, I'll try to look for other sources and post later on. (Work calls).
You can't cite extremists of any religion as being indicative of said religion's mainstream ideals or philosophy.
(Am I reading that wrong, or did this child live with more than one parent while he was being abused?)
(Am I reading that wrong, or did this child live with more than one parent while he was being abused?)
the boy was killed for not trying hard enough to learn.
in afghanistan, the taliban kill girls for trying to learn at all.
fun!
in afghanistan, the taliban kill girls for trying to learn at all.
fun!
It's not apostasy for a child to have a limited capacity to memorize the Koran. As I read this story, the religious aspect seemed almost beside the point. This comes across as someone obsessed with control and self-image, who vented her frustration by abusing her child for any lapse from her standards of perfection.
I'd bet that if the mother had been raised as a first class musician, and had gained approval and status at the age of seven for that, she would have murdered this child for failing to play the entirety of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier perfectly by the age of seven. But I wouldn't expect Andras Schiff to approve, even if he is considered one of the leading authorities on Bach's fugues alive today.
I'd bet that if the mother had been raised as a first class musician, and had gained approval and status at the age of seven for that, she would have murdered this child for failing to play the entirety of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier perfectly by the age of seven. But I wouldn't expect Andras Schiff to approve, even if he is considered one of the leading authorities on Bach's fugues alive today.
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People like this exist all over the globe. They are monsters. But religion is not the causative factor, imo
They simply seek out and use whatever religion is in their culture as a template and structure to justify the sickness which is already present within them. If there were no religions they would abuse and kill anyway, using some other reason to do so.
It may well be that certain religions are more suitable for providing the template than others -- the more authoritarian the religion, the better it fits, i would think. But ultimately that's a pointless argument because that murderous mindset is already there, and any religion (or any other thing, for that matter) will do.
They simply seek out and use whatever religion is in their culture as a template and structure to justify the sickness which is already present within them. If there were no religions they would abuse and kill anyway, using some other reason to do so.
It may well be that certain religions are more suitable for providing the template than others -- the more authoritarian the religion, the better it fits, i would think. But ultimately that's a pointless argument because that murderous mindset is already there, and any religion (or any other thing, for that matter) will do.
As a case in point, anyone interested in this psychopathology should read Under the Banner of Heaven, by Jon Krakauer. With this caveat: If you like happy endings with warm fuzzy bunny cuddly stuff . . . maybe not.
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My first thought was that it sounds like she might have had serious mental problems, and was possibly experiencing religious-themed delusions or hallucinations.
I think in some cases, religion can inspire and encourage abuse if people fall under the guidance of people who excuse it with religious teachings. But abusers are also inclined to justify their actions. I also think a lot of abusers have trouble moderating their own behavior. As much as I disagree with it, a non-abusive, controlled parent can generally spank their child without putting them at risk of serious physical harm. But I think a some abusive parents honestly don't realize how extreme they are.
In this case, I don't see enough to make me assume that her faith directly encouraged her to treat her son like this. We don't know if the imam she was trying to impress encouraged her to be harsh with her son, or if this pressure was all in her own head.
I think in some cases, religion can inspire and encourage abuse if people fall under the guidance of people who excuse it with religious teachings. But abusers are also inclined to justify their actions. I also think a lot of abusers have trouble moderating their own behavior. As much as I disagree with it, a non-abusive, controlled parent can generally spank their child without putting them at risk of serious physical harm. But I think a some abusive parents honestly don't realize how extreme they are.
In this case, I don't see enough to make me assume that her faith directly encouraged her to treat her son like this. We don't know if the imam she was trying to impress encouraged her to be harsh with her son, or if this pressure was all in her own head.
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I'm with DancingMaenid on this one. I need more info before I can conclude this woman was definitely not psychotic. What gives me pause is that she told a doctor that the devil told her to kill her son, even while she was trying to make him learn the Quran. The fact that the two concepts contradict each other -- seemingly opposed to the devil and in thrall to the devil at the same time -- suggest to me a possibility of delusion, maybe even command hallucination. Or it could be just a garbled account of the events. I'm not ready to say that this was even religious extremism gone wild before I know more.
But it was definitely abuse and murder. That much I'm sure of. Just not of the motivating factor.
But it was definitely abuse and murder. That much I'm sure of. Just not of the motivating factor.
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I've seen kids abused and killed because they wouldn't potty train or because they wouldn't stop crying. I guess I should have realized that things like this are only done by scary brown people or sheeplike churchgoers.
I think this was less about religion and more an over-controlling parent, wanting the child to shine so that he might reflect well on her. If they were secular, it might be his grades. Or sport.