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    Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    A Senate proposal touted as protecting Americans' e-mail privacy has been quietly rewritten, giving government agencies more surveillance power than they possess under current law.

    CNET has learned that Patrick Leahy, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, has dramatically reshaped his legislation in response to law enforcement concerns. A vote on his bill, which now authorizes warrantless access to Americans' e-mail, is scheduled for next week.

    Leahy's rewritten bill would allow more than 22 agencies -- including the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Communications Commission -- to access Americans' e-mail, Google Docs files, Facebook wall posts, and Twitter direct messages without a search warrant. It also would give the FBI and Homeland Security more authority, in some circumstances, to gain full access to Internet accounts without notifying either the owner or a judge.

    It's an abrupt departure from Leahy's earlier approach, which required police to obtain a search warrant backed by probable cause before they could read the contents of e-mail or other communications. The Vermont Democrat boasted last year that his bill "provides enhanced privacy protections for American consumers by... requiring that the government obtain a search warrant."


    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...news&tag=title

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    Revised bill highlights

    ✭ Grants warrantless access to Americans' electronic correspondence to over 22 federal agencies. Only a subpoena is required, not a search warrant signed by a judge based on probable cause.
    ✭ Permits state and local law enforcement to warrantlessly access Americans' correspondence stored on systems not offered "to the public," including university networks.
    ✭ Authorizes any law enforcement agency to access accounts without a warrant -- or subsequent court review -- if they claim "emergency" situations exist.
    ✭ Says providers "shall notify" law enforcement in advance of any plans to tell their customers that they've been the target of a warrant, order, or subpoena.
    ✭ Delays notification of customers whose accounts have been accessed from 3 days to "10 business days." This notification can be postponed by up to 360 days.
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...news&tag=title

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    What a bizarre bill.

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    So in the near future I can expect to receive Emails with portions redacted, just like the families of soldiers during WW2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalen View Post
    So in the near future I can expect to receive Emails with portions redacted, just like the families of soldiers during WW2?

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    Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants
    Unless you're - yanno - Not American.


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    This is not for our benefit.
    This will not protect us.
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    Invading Your Privacy? Dems Do it Too!

    It's an awful, awful bill and it opens a Pandora's Box that will never be closed again.
    Revised bill highlights

    • Grants warrantless access to Americans' electronic correspondence to over 22 federal agencies. Only a subpoena is required, not a search warrant signed by a judge based on probable cause.
    • Permits state and local law enforcement to warrantlessly access Americans' correspondence stored on systems not offered "to the public," including university networks.
    • Authorizes any law enforcement agency to access accounts without a warrant -- or subsequent court review -- if they claim "emergency" situations exist.
    • Says providers "shall notify" law enforcement in advance of any plans to tell their customers that they've been the target of a warrant, order, or subpoena.
    • Delays notification of customers whose accounts have been accessed from 3 days to "10 business days." This notification can be postponed by up to 360 days.
    Among the 22 agencies that would have access to the e-mails of American citizens:

    The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the Federal Communications Commission, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, the Federal Housing Finance Agency, the Federal Maritime Commission, the Federal Trade Commission, the Interstate Commerce Commission, the Mine Enforcement Safety and Health Review Commission, the National Labor Relations Board, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the Occupational Safety and Health Review Commission, the Postal Regulatory Commission, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection, the Office of Financial Research, Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and
    any other similar agency designated by statute as a Federal independent regulatory agency or commission.

    Wow. What a gross overreach of government power. Sen. Leahy should be embarrassed.

    And anyone concerned about this sort of intrusion and invasion of privacy should be spitting MAD.

    Here's the names of the members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Is your Congresscritter on the list?
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    I'll make it easy for them. Now they won't even have to check my e-mail

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Haskins View Post
    A Senate proposal touted as protecting Americans' e-mail privacy has been quietly rewritten, giving government agencies more surveillance power than they possess under current law.

    CNET has learned that Patrick Leahy, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, has dramatically reshaped his legislation in response to law enforcement concerns. A vote on his bill, which now authorizes warrantless access to Americans' e-mail, is scheduled for next week.

    Leahy's rewritten bill would allow more than 22 agencies -- including the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Communications Commission -- to access Americans' e-mail, Google Docs files, Facebook wall posts, and Twitter direct messages without a search warrant. It also would give the FBI and Homeland Security more authority, in some circumstances, to gain full access to Internet accounts without notifying either the owner or a judge.

    It's an abrupt departure from Leahy's earlier approach, which required police to obtain a search warrant backed by probable cause before they could read the contents of e-mail or other communications. The Vermont Democrat boasted last year that his bill "provides enhanced privacy protections for American consumers by... requiring that the government obtain a search warrant."


    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...news&tag=title
    I'm surprised you did not include the follow-up story which followed fast on the heels of the first story two days ago. It announced that Leahy had withdrawn his support after public criticism:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...eillance-bill/

    There was a very big, highly visible link to the follow up story at the beginning of the OP link, which is just as well as I had just pulled out the ol' stationery to write a letter of protest to my Senator, Dick Durbin.

    So, scary though this bill is, it is no longer being supported.

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    Though it is no longer being supported by Leahy, isn't it still going up for a vote next week? His removing his support doesn't stop it from being voted on, does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alessandra Kelley View Post
    I'm surprised you did not include the follow-up story which followed fast on the heels of the first story two days ago. It announced that Leahy had withdrawn his support after public criticism:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...eillance-bill/

    There was a very big, highly visible link to the follow up story at the beginning of the OP link, which is just as well as I had just pulled out the ol' stationery to write a letter of protest to my Senator, Dick Durbin.

    So, scary though this bill is, it is no longer being supported.
    i had already read the story, so a link added after the fact wasn't something i would have noticed.

    that said, one would think your post would have been an excerpt from the update adding new information -- rather than the veiled accusation that my lack of followup was unfairly painting leahy as something he isn't.

    because he is exactly what he was when he bent over for the feds in the first place. he abandoned the legislation specifically because the public outcry.

    so instead of being "surprised" that i didn't rush back to vindicate pat leahy, you should be thanking me for the OP which, in some part, contributed to the public shaming that brought that weasel-faced fucker back into line with some semblance of decent leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Haskins View Post
    i had already read the story, so a link added after the fact wasn't something i would have noticed.

    that said, one would think your post would have been an excerpt from the update adding new information -- rather than the veiled accusation that my lack of followup was unfairly painting leahy as something he isn't.

    because he is exactly what he was when he bent over for the feds in the first place. he abandoned the legislation specifically because the public outcry.

    so instead of being "surprised" that i didn't rush back to vindicate pat leahy, you should be thanking me for the OP which, in some part, contributed to the public shaming that brought that weasel-faced fucker back into line with some semblance of decent leadership.
    Ah. My error.

    I had assumed you started this thread in order to discuss an atrocious proposed bill, not to vilify the author of it. Indeed, the thread title and the information as presented seemed to support this interpretation.

    Mind you, nothing in my post expressed any support whatsoever of Patrick Leahy. Nor would I do so. The bill is as craven a piece of dangerous power grabbing as I have seen. Mr. Leahy's judgement and character are clear, but I assumed that dwelling on that would be a distraction from the far more important matter of the bill itself.

    Given that I thought the bill, not Mr. Leahy's character, was the topic of this thread, I assumed that my information that support for the bill had been withdrawn would save a lot of people from anxiety. I might have considered quoting from the article, but it seemed unnecessary given that a link was included and in light of the simple news that the bill was effectively dead.

    I see nothing in my previous post in support of Patrick Leahy, nor any requirement that you defend his character.

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    Withdrawing support is nice for Mr. Leahy, in terms of trying to save face. Pulling the bill so it doesn't come up for a vote would actually do something, though. I'm thinking another note to Out senators wouldn't be amiss.

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