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    Smash

    I really wanted to like this. I thought I'd heard that the critics liked it, so I was expecting it to be good.

    Some of the musical/dance numbers are great, but beyond that? The connecting bits actively annoyed me, rather than (as in Glee, for example) ranging from okay to amusing.

    Is it just me? Am I missing something?

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    I'm not loving it. Might give it another episode or two.
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    I couldn't make it through the first episode. I kept thinking, "I thought this was supposed to be good." It's not. It feels like it's trying WAY too hard. It's off the DVR now, but I will probably check back on this thread to see if it's improved. Sad, really, I wanted to like it too.
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    Nice to know it's not just me being cranky. I REALLY wanted to like this.

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    I'm sorry that you aren't enjoying it as much as I am -- I greatly enjoyed the first two episodes, and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season.
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    I love it! Some friends are, too.

    Every show has growing pains to get through in the first season.

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    I've really enjoyed it so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanDarby View Post
    I really wanted to like this. I thought I'd heard that the critics liked it, so I was expecting it to be good.

    Some of the musical/dance numbers are great, but beyond that? The connecting bits actively annoyed me, rather than (as in Glee, for example) ranging from okay to amusing.

    Is it just me? Am I missing something?
    Hah! I was exactly the opposite. The barrage of hype had me expecting a total lame-a$$ bomb, but I'm really enjoying it. They're telegraphing a few too many things (we all know what it means when a female character is shown puking, right?--especially when she is subsequently awarded the big part and there is another gal waiting in the wings--"42nd Street" anyone?), and Angelica looks like she should be mounted on the corner of a cathedral roof (though, honestly, I could watch that woman read a phone book). Still, it's refreshing to discover I am not the tv curmudgeon I thought I'd become...
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    I really have been enjoying it. Unlike GLEE the musical numbers are there to support the story, as opposed to the story being there to support the musical numbers. I like how dark it is, how they really are trying to show a decent behind the scenes of the Broadway theatre scene. It's a show for grownups.

    I agree there is a bit too much set-up and exposition at times, but maybe after watching ONCE UPON A TIME, it's just a relief that it isn't a constant barrage .

    I think once it gets into its groove (both literally and figuratively), and we get to know the characters better etc, they will lessen the exposition. At least I hope so.

    But for now, I'm most pleasantly surprised.
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    Yeah, I'm mixed. Really liked Debra Messing and Katherine McPhee, but I didn't feel as drawn into caring about what's going to happen. I mean, does anybody really feel any suspense about whether or not McPhee will land the part?

    I think the other thing that makes it harder to connect with is that it is an original musical. With Glee, there's at least one song on every episode that I know well. It's fun to see how they do it, and I can sing along if no one else is home... With Smash, the songs are good for the most part, but they're unfamiliar. By the time I "get" what they're singing about, the song is over and gone.

    Don't know if that makes sense... It just makes it a completely different kind of experience for me.
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    How many episodes have you seen? Because they have been doing a mix of original and familiar songs, which I think is quite savvy. Like when McPhee auditioned w/ Beautiful.

    Also, as far as a forgone conclusion goes . . . keep watching . . . (not saying you're right or wrong, just saying it's not as straightforward as it might seem at the start).
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    Yeah, episode 2 needs to be watched if one hasn't seen it already. The letter, and the reading of it, was beautiful.


    The girl throwing up doesn't have to mean bulimia - a lot of people puke from nerves, both male and female. A bulimic wouldn't have the energy to work on Broadway, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K. Taylor View Post
    The girl throwing up doesn't have to mean bulimia - a lot of people puke from nerves, both male and female. A bulimic wouldn't have the energy to work on Broadway, anyway.
    Oh, I wasn't referring to bulimia, I was referring to pregnant. It will give them an out when they need to give the lead role to the next girl in line.
    "C'mon o'er here, sweetums. Get down on your knees and--yeah, just shove them old magazines aside--get down there and lick my--no, them ain't nothing but cans I ain't yet took to the recycling. Here, how's about you put this blindfold on and stop with all the questions?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyGottaKeyboard View Post
    Oh, I wasn't referring to bulimia, I was referring to pregnant. It will give them an out when they need to give the lead role to the next girl in line.

    Hadn't thought of that.

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    I love Smash. I'm a sucker for theater-based plots, so I tuned in with high expectations that were, for the most part, matched. I do find Debra Messing's adoption/family sub-plot a snore, and I hope they don't break up Karen and Dev (such a sweet and positive relationship!), but for now I'm hooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangeline View Post
    I love Smash. I'm a sucker for theater-based plots, so I tuned in with high expectations that were, for the most part, matched. I do find Debra Messing's adoption/family sub-plot a snore, and I hope they don't break up Karen and Dev (such a sweet and positive relationship!), but for now I'm hooked.
    Does anyone know, did the same actor play Debra Messing's son in the second episode that played him in the pilot? He looked different to me, but the part was small and I forgot about it as soon as the next scene came along...Was only just reminded.
    "C'mon o'er here, sweetums. Get down on your knees and--yeah, just shove them old magazines aside--get down there and lick my--no, them ain't nothing but cans I ain't yet took to the recycling. Here, how's about you put this blindfold on and stop with all the questions?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyGottaKeyboard View Post
    Does anyone know, did the same actor play Debra Messing's son in the second episode that played him in the pilot? He looked different to me, but the part was small and I forgot about it as soon as the next scene came along...Was only just reminded.

    I wondered that too.

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    I know him better as Steve in the British sitcom Coupling.

    I'm another one who really wanted to like this, as well. I'm finding the parts about the production of the play itself more interesting than the "human element" stories around them. I'll probably give it one more episode; I'm surprised I've watched the first two because I don't even like Debra Messing.
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    Yeah, the son is the same - same voice.

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    The song Megan Hilty sings at the end of episode 2 is beautiful. "Crazy Dreams."

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    I didn't even consider that she was pregnant, I just thought she was really nervous about everything. But I guess that would give them a way to give it to Katherine McPhee.

    I'm really liking it. I like that the songs are there as part of rehearsals/auditions whatever. So far they've only done one random walking-down-the-street singing scene, which isn't too bad. I'm not a big fan of those, but I do know there will be more of them. But it's a fun little show.
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    But even that walking down the street singing thing was technically them singing their audition song. I know when I've had singing auditions, I sing my way to my audition, practicing the song. Maybe not as obviously or as proudly, but yup, definitely out loud in public .
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    Ooh, even tho i said how much I liked this show previously, tonight's episode was horrible.

    Debra Messing's character spills her darkest secret that she has been toting around for 5 years and doesn't have sense enough to say: "Are we alone?"

    The dancer asks the composer on a date but really the scene is just a device to start the word spreading that the director is sleeping with the star?

    And the evil assistant is straight?

    It all felt very contrived tonight. The only part I enjoyed was the pissing match between the two Brits. And AH throwing her drinks...
    "C'mon o'er here, sweetums. Get down on your knees and--yeah, just shove them old magazines aside--get down there and lick my--no, them ain't nothing but cans I ain't yet took to the recycling. Here, how's about you put this blindfold on and stop with all the questions?"

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    Johnny - I agree with everything you wrote above. Including the best bits .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpaste View Post
    Johnny - I agree with everything you wrote above. Including the best bits .
    Ditto ditto. Although I did like "Mr. And Mrs. Smith."

    Is it too much to hope that at the end of the season, they'll actually put together the Marilyn musical and make that available as a movie?
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