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Reservoir Angel said:

The odd thing with me is that my mum has said numerous times that she doesn't have a problem with gay people. She's made it clear that she wouldn't care if I turned out to be gay. And

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Just a thought: maybe she knows and she's trying to give you the chance to say so in a supportive way? Next time she says that just say, "I am." And, if you're wrong and they kick you out, come to Cambridge. I have a sofa bed! [SUP](1)[/SUP]


(1) only the fact that you're sure they won't lets me be in any way smiley about that, by the way!

jallenecs said:

She may have already figured it out, sweetie. Why would she make a point of saying it wasn't an issue for her?

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More than once we've gotten into a conversation about how I'm never going to get married. Then she says "You'll meet a nice girl one day and that'll be that." I say that's really damn unlikely, then she says something like "Well maybe you'll meet a nice guy then, I dunno." I wave it off to avoid the subject and she takes the time to say "I wouldn't care."

Really, it wouldn't surprise me if she already knew. I mean, there was that incident with the computer full of porn when I was 14...

Reservoir Angel said:

Really, it wouldn't surprise me if she already knew. I mean, there was that incident with the computer full of porn when I was 14...

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You and every other 12-14 year old boy I've known since the Internet was introduced (gay or straight!) but yes, based on the rest of your post, she definitely knows. Why not just get it over with the next time a chance comes up. Then you can cross one thing off your worry list.

Reservoir Angel said:

More than once we've gotten into a conversation about how I'm never going to get married. Then she says "You'll meet a nice girl one day and that'll be that." I say that's really damn unlikely, then she says something like "Well maybe you'll meet a nice guy then, I dunno." I wave it off to avoid the subject and she takes the time to say "I wouldn't care."

Really, it wouldn't surprise me if she already knew. I mean, there was that incident with the computer full of porn when I was 14...

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Sweet sweet thing. I've been a mom for a while now. I've got children older than you. Moms know more than you think. I'll lay money she figured it out before you turned 17.

In my experience, dads tend to be a little more oblivious, though YMMV.

Andelana said:

You and every other 12-14 year old boy I've known since the Internet was introduced (gay or straight!) but yes, based on the rest of your post, she definitely knows. Why not just get it over with the next time a chance comes up. Then you can cross one thing off your worry list.

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What Ande said. Say it. Give your mom the opportunity to be magnificent, and give yourself the chance to have an even more wonderful relationship without the secret between you.

jallenecs said:

Sweet sweet thing. I've been a mom for a while now. I've got children older than you. Moms know more than you think. I'll lay money she figured it out before you turned 17.

In my experience, dads tend to be a little more oblivious, though YMMV.

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Yeah, she does seem to display sporadic omnipotence. She used to be able to look at me on a Sunday and know I'd gotten drunk on a Friday, it was creepy. Plus she knows when it's me coming down the stairs and when it's me using the loo at night. The woman's got powers.

Frankly I'd be more surprised if she didn't know already. Yet I still don't want to actually confirm it. Just because I know that'll be the most awkward situation that's ever existed, and given the crap my family pulls on a regular basis that's saying something.

Plus she'd probably try and, like, fix me up with people. And that's just... no.

Reservoir Angel said:

Plus she'd probably try and, like, fix me up with people. And that's just... no.

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*shudders* That conjures up mental images that just don't bear thinking about.

Where's that brain bleach?

Mom has asked me "Are you gay?" and I have said "No" but she suspects. She insists on me marrying a girl some day and the glaring fact I have never had a date becomes more and more present.

I think mom may be rationalizing the situation, though. About how gay men tend to be good reliable workers. She seems convinced that people "get converted" to be gay by other gays, like vampires. I think it's due her work as a family court prosecutor, though. Half of her cases are on child abuse.

That's a sucky case load, Max.


And this just in: Apparently it takes 2 thousand words to cut off a boy's arm with a soul sword and then feel bad about it. I need to try writing flash again. *sigh*

Meanwhile, time to type up the next scene... and the one after that... and the one after that... and that should wrap it all up in a sad and kinda unfinished way.

crap.

maxmordon said:

She seems convinced that people "get converted" to be gay by other gays, like vampires.

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Given my mum is 58 years old, I'm kind of lucky she doesn't have odd, outdated beliefs like that. Though I have this funny yet potentially traumatising image of me telling her I'm gay and her grabbing me and yelling "Who did this to you? I'm phoning his mother!" in the same tone she used to use when I'd come home from school with a black eye.

maxmordon said:

Mom has asked me "Are you gay?" and I have said "No" but she suspects. She insists on me marrying a girl some day and the glaring fact I have never had a date becomes more and more present.

I think mom may be rationalizing the situation, though. About how gay men tend to be good reliable workers. She seems convinced that people "get converted" to be gay by other gays, like vampires. I think it's due her work as a family court prosecutor, though. Half of her cases are on child abuse.

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I don't have any advice for you, Max. Yeah, I got mom experience. But I'm not confident on Venezuelan culture and how gays fit there.

On the other hand, the image of a guy in fabulous Tim Curry gear, running around biting people on the neck to convert them to gay? Yeah, that makes me laugh.

Fenika said:

That's a sucky case load, Max.


And this just in: Apparently it takes 2 thousand words to cut off a boy's arm with a soul sword and then feel bad about it. I need to try writing flash again. *sigh*

Meanwhile, time to type up the next scene... and the one after that... and the one after that... and that should wrap it all up in a sad and kinda unfinished way.

crap.

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I started to make an outline of sorts for my WIP. It surprised me to see how big the whole thing is...

Reservoir Angel said:

But yeah. Musicals are overwhelmingly stereotyped as being a thing for gay guys and women. Even though I maintain that Les Misérables is pretty damn manly. At least by musical theatre standards.

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This always has me laughing my ass off. I mean, there were plenty of gay guys in my high school's theater group, but all the fans of musicals I know in college are the harriest, slobbiest, somewhat sexist manly men ever.

maxmordon said:

It surprised me to see how big the whole thing is...

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That's what she said.

Sorry. I'll let myself out...

jallenecs said:

I don't have any advice for you, Max. Yeah, I got mom experience. But I'm not confident on Venezuelan culture and how gays fit there.

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LGBT people don't have much exposure. There's no such thing as a "gay 'hood" and none of the two political entities (The Government and The Opposition) dares to touch the subject straightforward.

Meanwhile, the nation's main comedic shows have campy gay men and vast majority of the people see to be find about it and the soap opera always have them as the campy best friend of the protagonist.

Oh, and Lesbians apparently don't exist.

Man theatre tickets are expensive...

maxmordon said:

LGBT people don't have much exposure. There's no such thing as a "gay 'hood" and none of the two political entities (The Government and The Opposition) dares to touch the subject straightforward.

Meanwhile, the nation's main comedic shows have campy gay men and vast majority of the people see to be find about it and the soap opera always have them as the campy best friend of the protagonist.

Oh, and Lesbians apparently don't exist.

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Neutrality is better than hostility. If you'll forgive me for saying it, I expected a predominantly Catholic culture to be much more hostile.

*comes up for air*

Whew. Why did I think this week would be a good one to agree to a tetanus shot?

maxmordon said:

I started to make an outline of sorts for my WIP. It surprised me to see how big the whole thing is...

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Is this a novel WIP?

And I am hoping my short is at least half way done. And I hope someone in SYW reads it all once I post it

Tifferbugz said:

*comes up for air*

Whew. Why did I think this week would be a good one to agree to a tetanus shot?

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Because you got cut on rusty* barb wire* while standing in a horse pasture*?

*all good reasons for a tetanus shot in and of themselves. I managed all three.

More seriously, are you having a reaction or pain to said shot? If it helps, tetanus hurts more. Way way wayyyy more.

In fact, this needs to be in more torture scenarios. "And then we gave him tetanus and waited five days. When he was screaming for mercy, we called in a rock band to really get the guy's muscles contracting to high hell."

Fenika said:

Because you got cut on rusty* barb wire* while standing in a horse pasture*?

*all good reasons for a tetanus shot in and of themselves. I managed all three.

More seriously, are you having a reaction or pain to said shot? If it helps, tetanus hurts more. Way way wayyyy more.

In fact, this needs to be in more torture scenarios. "And then we gave him tetanus and waited five days. When he was screaming for mercy, we called in a rock band to really get the guy's muscles contracting to high hell."

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Sadly, I just went in for a regular doctor visit, and she asked how long it had been since I had a tetanus shot, and it's been over 10 years so...

Nice plot bunny stuff you have going around tetanus though.

jallenecs said:

Neutrality is better than hostility. If you'll forgive me for saying it, I expected a predominantly Catholic culture to be much more hostile.

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Not really. Since Venezuela has no church and state separation and over 80% of people are Catholics, the Church tends to do very little in the political arena since, well, why bother? I would say it's a bit like Anglicanism in the UK, but far more boisterous. God matters for the people of God and daily matters for everyday people. You don't mess with the Church and the Church doesn't mess with you.

In fact, the people who cares "too much" about religion tend to be regarded as "Evangelicals", the simplified and stereotypical perception of how Protestants are. Which is based more or less on those converted by US-educated missionaires, generally Southern Baptists or Mormons.

Fenika said:

Is this a novel WIP?

And I am hoping my short is at least half way done. And I hope someone in SYW reads it all once I post it

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Yes it is! The first two chapters are already on WIP.

I have the brilliant (read, unnecesarily complicated and useless) idea to tell the story of my protagonist back-to-back. So, every one or two chapters is about him in the present or him growing up.

Tifferbugz said:

Sadly, I just went in for a regular doctor visit, and she asked how long it had been since I had a tetanus shot, and it's been over 10 years so...

Nice plot bunny stuff you have going around tetanus though.

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Aw, but it really is better than tetanus. Google some imgs. You'll feel better.

And there are some good diseases that are way underused. Right now I'm playing with rabies.

maxmordon said:

Yes it is! The first two chapters are already on WIP.

I have the brilliant (read, unnecesarily complicated and useless) idea to tell the story of my protagonist back-to-back. So, every one or two chapters is about him in the present or him growing up.

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Timeline stories can be very well done. You just have to connect the scenes well.

jallenecs said:

Neutrality is better than hostility. If you'll forgive me for saying it, I expected a predominantly Catholic culture to be much more hostile.

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We're predominantly Catholic and we're cool with LGBT issues - as far as I know, anyway.

Tifferbugz said:

Why did I think this week would be a good one to agree to a tetanus shot?

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Sounds nasty, Anything you can take for it? Booze? Chocolate? Hot dude in boxer shorts?

Fenika said:

More seriously, are you having a reaction or pain to said shot? If it helps, tetanus hurts more. Way way wayyyy more.

In fact, this needs to be in more torture scenarios. "And then we gave him tetanus and waited five days. When he was screaming for mercy, we called in a rock band to really get the guy's muscles contracting to high hell."

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Gah! That's terrifying stuff, right there.