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    Quote Originally Posted by Alessandra Kelley View Post
    It can't be undone.
    Unless the folks in charge at GR have already said it can't be undone, I think it's highly unlikely that it's 'undoable'. Anyone with massive databases like that would be insane not to have backups. They might choose not to use them, depending on how much work it would be, but I'd be shocked if they didn't have backups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenPanced View Post
    And there are a few of those I personally wouldn't include in a steampunk reading list. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland? Sherlock Holmes?
    Hey! I didn't know H. P. Lovecraft wrote Steampunk!



    /sarcasm

    Wow. This whole debacle is just...boggling. That's some serious hubris on someone's part that they thought they could get away with it.

    Keep us/me informed of the results from this, including whether EK admits it was her doing (and hopefully some kind of explanation) or claims hacking or what have you.
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    WTF? Who takes it upon themselves to do such a thing on a public website?

    Create your own damn list, if you need to be The Authority.


    Whoever did this--and I'll withhold judgment until we have confirmation it wasn't a case of "borrowing" an account--should be kicked off Goodreads, IMO, and should publicly apologize.

    Disgraceful.
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    How's this for a wild concept?

    Instead of whining and amassing social network armies, instead of tampering with public lists, instead of general sulky bad behavior, what if authors worked on improving their writing?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Alessandra Kelley View Post
    Thank you. I was kind of sleep deprived and emotional last night.

    The book is actually nonfiction, I think technically "related works" or something, but yes, she is only one contributor. It is even possible, as Dani said, that someone else was using her account and this has nothing to do with her at all.

    It's still unclear what's going to happen.
    Any chance it was accidental? Thought she was modifying her own list rather than everyone's? When you have mod-level tools at your command sometimes hitting the wrong button can put you into a place where saying "oops!" won't cover it.

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    Instead of whining and amassing social network armies, instead of tampering with public lists, instead of general sulky bad behavior, what if authors worked on improving their writing?
    No, no, you don't understand! Their writing is already perfect. PERFECT I TELL YOU! Those agents editors reviewers readers aren't advanced enough to understand it. If they only had the capacity to recognize my genius.... But I'll show the fools! I'LL SHOW THEM ALL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terie View Post
    Unless the folks in charge at GR have already said it can't be undone, I think it's highly unlikely that it's 'undoable'. Anyone with massive databases like that would be insane not to have backups. They might choose not to use them, depending on how much work it would be, but I'd be shocked if they didn't have backups.
    I don't know about the folks in charge. A senior moderator has said that it cannot be undone, which fits with Goodreads' information.

    But yeah, Richard also thought that any site as big as that had to have backups. Heck, even my little personal blog gets backed up.

    Alert member "The Holy Terror" found the Google cache of the list before it was trashed, but you cannot derive from that who voted for what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadan View Post
    So is it now Amazon's policy that they'll remove any negative review on request of the author?

    It is my impression that if enough people report or flag a review it is deleted without anyone even looking at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James D. Macdonald View Post
    Any chance it was accidental? Thought she was modifying her own list rather than everyone's? When you have mod-level tools at your command sometimes hitting the wrong button can put you into a place where saying "oops!" won't cover it.
    Here is the first page of her recent Librarian edits.

    Every one of those "book deleted" actions was a separate action, and every one would have the very severely-worded Goodreads popup window warning of dire consequences if this was removing a legitimate book, adding an extra step to the deletion process.

    This was not a simple hitting of one button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alessandra Kelley View Post
    I don't know about the folks in charge. A senior moderator has said that it cannot be undone, which fits with Goodreads' information.
    Getting into the difference between 'can' and 'will'. That is, it might not be easy to do. It might mean losing the past few days' data during the roll-back, and they might decide that that's worse. And other possibilities.

    I'm not saying they *should* restore the backups. This is a business decision. They have to decide between two bad choices. I'm just saying that I'd be surprised if they didn't have backups that they *could* use if they decided it was worth it.

    You might remember about a year ago when something disastrous happened to AW. They had to lose a couple days' worth of posts to restore. Those of us who'd written long thoughtful posts lost our work, but, well, them's the breaks.

    Again, it comes down to the pros and cons and what they decide is best for GR overall. They might decide that losing thousands of recent entries to restore several hundred lost votes isn't worth it. Or maybe they could restore just the chunk, but it would take a week of an employee's labour and they don't think it's worth that much money. And so on.
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    The threads on Goodreads about this have been locked by the mods.

    They say "GR Staff are in contact with the relevant users."

    The list remains, and some people have voted on it anew. I think I'm going to go vote myself. Sigh.

    I do hope we hear something about this later. I really want to know who did it and why.

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    Very interested in all of this. Thanks for keeping us updated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alessandra Kelley View Post
    There's an extreme case of author-mucking-with-readers'-information happening right now.

    Evelyn Kriete, a steampunk author, has just in the last few hours wiped out hundreds of readers' votes on Goodreads lists.

    These are lists painstakingly created over months and years by the slow accumulation of readers' votes for the benefit of other readers.

    This list, which had 167 voters and innumerable books on it four hours ago, now has a single voter -- Ms. Kriete.

    If you have voted on any steampunk-themed list on Goodreads, please check to see if your votes have been vandalized.

    Goodreads discussion thread of it here:
    http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...punk-list-help

    and to a lesser degree here:
    http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...mment_53756426

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    It looks like this is not the first time Evelyn Kriete has unilaterally deleted other people's web writings in the name of her own personal vision of what steampunk must be.

    Ms. Kriete controls a Facebook page called Steampunk and there was a similar incident which upset a lot of people.

    Frustratingly, I can't find when it happened because I found only one undated, but before March 2012, archived page about it, and I'm not on Facebook so I can't poke around.

    Apart from that one page, I can't find mention of this; possibly people don't want to publicly complain.

    But it honks me off, because apparently there was a big foofaraw which then got hushed up. Nobody outside the steampunk community knew about this, and now Ms. Kriete is up to the same dirty tricks, this time treating Goodreads as a personal fiefdom she can meddle with as she chooses.

    I hope Goodreads does not allow Ms. Kriete to once again brush this behavior under the carpet. Ms. Kriete may be a published author, but she has no right to censor other people's web presence.

    I very much would like to hear Ms. Kriete's explanation of her behavior.

    The only record of what happened is tucked away here, on a page which cannot be accessed from the site's homepage:
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    Something unfortunate happened this week on the largest steampunk community Facebook page.

    A number of people tried to post links to an innocuous BBC America video segment about Steampunk. These links, for unclear reasons, were repeatedly deleted by the page administrator, Evelyn Kriete. Understandably, the posters and their friends were both surprised and upset. Old grievances were recalled and walls were filled with outraged comments raging against Kriete and her friend, Geoff Falksen. As far as we know, she has remained publically silent about all of this. That’s well within her rights – as is deleting anything that she doesn’t want from her page. But we think that policy is probably bad for her own public image, and it is certainly bad for steampunk as a community.

    ... Like it or not, Facebook is a hugely powerful tool for shaping culture, taste and community. Unfortunately, it’s also a tool which lends itself to authoritarian control. ...

    ... these steampunk pages benefit from the assumption that they represent a community. They did not acquire 60+ thousand members each because they are “John Smith, Steampunk Writer” pages. They got those numbers because they present themselves as guardians and voices of the culture as a whole.

    ... to the rest of us it sometimes feels like one person playing favorites and indulging personal grudges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alessandra Kelley View Post
    Apart from that one page, I can't find mention of this, possibly because Evelyn Kriete is apparently highly influential and important in the steampunk world and people don't want to publicly complain.
    I don't think she's as famous and influential as you're thinking. She's produced a few things for anthologies, which generally isn't enough for someone to be considered a big name in a genre (unless they start getting award nominations). Most likely no one talked about the Facebook thing because it wasn't a big happening in the steampunk community.

    Deleting book lists on Goodreads could easily escalate though, so I hope she gets librarian access revoked at a minimum. It's bizarre that the system doesn't allow reversion of list changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polenth View Post
    I don't think she's as famous and influential as you're thinking.
    I had to Google her. There are names which come immediately to mind when I think of steampunk, and she isn't one of them. *shrug*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polenth View Post
    I don't think she's as famous and influential as you're thinking. She's produced a few things for anthologies, which generally isn't enough for someone to be considered a big name in a genre (unless they start getting award nominations). Most likely no one talked about the Facebook thing because it wasn't a big happening in the steampunk community.
    You are very likely right (and I edited my post because in the light of morning I looked at it and thought oh swell, I sound like a paranoid conspiracy nut). I am not too familiar with the steampunk community, and I jumped to conclusions. Thank you for pointing things out so reasonably. My apologies, and apologies for the hysterical tone.

    I don't know how prominent Ms. Kriete is. She blogs on Tor.com and runs one of the central Facebook pages on steampunk and has been cited in some news stories.

    She is up for an award, sort of. She's a contributor to a nonfiction book which is on the Hugo ballot this year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polenth View Post
    Deleting book lists on Goodreads could easily escalate though, so I hope she gets librarian access revoked at a minimum. It's bizarre that the system doesn't allow reversion of list changes.
    Her librarian status does seem to have been revoked. Unfortunately, it remains a problem because any librarian on Goodreads could do the same at any time. In fact, when Ms. Kriete's actions came to light, a different person who had been doing far more damage to the lists for almost a week also was spotted and their librarian status revoked as well.

    I don't know what's happened since the Goodreads admins locked the threads talking about this. There's been no word and I haven't gotten any updates.

    And yes, that is bizarre. Sometimes it feels like the interface at Goodreads is a giant kludge.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigWords View Post
    I had to Google her. There are names which come immediately to mind when I think of steampunk, and she isn't one of them. *shrug*
    Yeah, I think I was dazzled by PR and some fans. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alessandra Kelley View Post
    Yeah, I think I was dazzled by PR and some fans. Sorry.
    I've never heard of her, but then, I'm not into steampunk. So it seems like she might honestly be a big fish in the little pond, but when you get to the big sea, well, different (ahem) story.
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    Well, here's something to brighten your day: ttp://stopthegrbullies.com/

    I'm still scratching my head at this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebloodfiend View Post
    Well, here's something to brighten your day: ttp://stopthegrbullies.com/

    I'm still scratching my head at this.
    This site is beyond distasteful. They say they want to stop bullying on Goodreads by....wait for it...bullying their targets right off the internet. They post personal information and basically tell others to treat them like garbage.

    I saw some tweets about this yesterday, and despite the banner in their sidebar, Bullying.Org does NOT support this site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebloodfiend View Post
    Well, here's something to brighten your day: ttp://stopthegrbullies.com/

    I'm still scratching my head at this.
    That's enough to make me stop doing anything on goodreads now.
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    I've only been peripherally involved with Goodreads - now I'm beginning to wonder if it's a place to be involved at all. Are there any bookish sites out there where people behave like adults?
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    That site is so horrible that I can't even think of the words to describe how horrible it is...aside to say it's HORRIBLE.

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