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    Quote Originally Posted by Polenth View Post
    Digging through the links, the start seems to be when a reader posted a blog post about Rebecca's Amazon/Twitter behaviour, the Fangs for the Fantasy review response and AW.

    The blogger posted a Goodreads review linking to that post. Rebecca replied to it at various points. The comment of note is #23, where she makes a rape comparison.
    There was a burst of activity, such as trying to blank out all her book data on Goodreads and five-staring books from other authors who've exploded at readers/reviewers (noted in #151 of the original Goodreads review thread). I think these books are from the authors-behaving-badly shelf.

    Nothing else has happened publicly for about a day, though she's still blogging privately. It may be it'll quiet down until the next time.
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    I kind of feel sorry for her. She's really not kidding about the Aspergers--she takes and causes offense almost at random. It's clear she really doesn't "get" what's happening.

    That doesn't change the fact she's being a drama llama whose victimization goggles are welded onto her head, but it does make the behaviour more understandable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjdebenedictis View Post
    I kind of feel sorry for her. She's really not kidding about the Asbergers--she takes and causes offense almost at random. It's clear she really doesn't "get" what's happening.

    That doesn't change the fact she's being a drama llama whose victimization goggles are welded onto her head, but it does make the behaviour more understandable.
    I can accept this in an author. It's not good behavior, but it's understandable--to a point.

    What I cannot understand is how anyone who knows this woman thought she would make a good editor or publisher. I can't even imagine trying to interact with her, especially if there's a disagreement, on a professional basis.

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    Asperger's... not Asberger's. One of my pet peeves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyia View Post
    Asperger's... not Asberger's. One of my pet peeves.
    Fixed! My apologies. I kept staring at that and wondering why it looked wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebloodfiend View Post
    Rebecca Hamilton ttp://www.beccahamiltonbooks.com/2012/04/04/the-book-review-community/"]really doesn't know when to stop. First with writers, now with readers.

    Hamilton added a password to her website. I'm not sure that's a smart move if the entire point of an author website is to give info about yourself to the public, but whatever.

    Here's where she started on the reviewer in question, going so far as to use some kind of weird rape analogy, repeating the same "playing the victim" game she started on this very forum.
    Quote Originally Posted by jjdebenedictis View Post
    I kind of feel sorry for her. She's really not kidding about the Aspergers--she takes and causes offense almost at random. It's clear she really doesn't "get" what's happening.

    That doesn't change the fact she's being a drama llama whose victimization goggles are welded onto her head, but it does make the behaviour more understandable.
    I don't feel sorry for her at all. I feel sorry for her children, whom she has dragged into nearly every argument, telling us far too much about their ages, their diagnoses, and the trouble she is having with them.

    There are (at least) two ways to act when one has relatives with behavioral difficulties, and I have seen both in my extended family.

    One is to focus on the relative's well-being, taking extra care of them and any family members affected, working with them and shielding them from harm.

    The other is to focus on oneself, to act out and say it is because one is so stressed out from taking care of one's relatives.

    To be fair, that situation is often complicated and stressful. This is why it is the time to be extra mistrustful of one's thoughts and impulses, to be extra cautious about what one is saying and doing, and to be willing to listen to one's friends and even well-meaning strangers when they say one is going too far.

    I'd also like to say, as one who has relations diagnosed with Asperger's, Asperger's is no excuse for rudeness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alessandra Kelley View Post
    I'd also like to say, as one who has relations diagnosed with Asperger's, Asperger's is no excuse for rudeness.

    I know people with Asperger's, and they don't go around acting like assholes and then claiming Asperger's made them do it.

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    I may be wrong here, but isn't Rebecca Hamilton an AW member - ladyinpink?

    And if I'm correct about the identity here, this latest round of histrionics should come as no surprise.
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    A Guardian article on the subject: How not to handle bad reviews

    (sorry for th ebad link first time around!)
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    I think negative reviews are something all writers get. I've been very lucky to never get unpleasant reviews. I've had plenty of negative ones.

    However there is a difference between negative critical reviews and a review that strays into personal. There is reviewers behaving like a bunch of mean girls in highschool over on goodreads. This is getting lost among the talk of authors hitting back at genuine negative reviews.
    I doubt many authors wrote books to become punching bags to be personally ridiculed. I know I didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alitriona View Post
    I think negative reviews are something all writers get. I've been very lucky to never get unpleasant reviews. I've had plenty of negative ones.

    However there is a difference between negative critical reviews and a review that strays into personal. There is reviewers behaving like a bunch of mean girls in highschool over on goodreads. This is getting lost among the talk of authors hitting back at genuine negative reviews.
    I doubt many authors wrote books to become punching bags to be personally ridiculed. I know I didn't.
    Very true, but the subject of this thread is authors behaving badly about reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alitriona View Post
    However there is a difference between negative critical reviews and a review that strays into personal. There is reviewers behaving like a bunch of mean girls in highschool over on goodreads. This is getting lost among the talk of authors hitting back at genuine negative reviews. I doubt many authors wrote books to become punching bags to be personally ridiculed. I know I didn't.
    Even if a review is nasty and personal, an author isn't going to do herself any favors by responding.

    I'm also skeptical of authors who claim reviews have become "personal." They tend to have trouble separating their books from themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alitriona View Post
    However there is a difference between negative critical reviews and a review that strays into personal. There is reviewers behaving like a bunch of mean girls in highschool over on goodreads. This is getting lost among the talk of authors hitting back at genuine negative reviews. I doubt many authors wrote books to become punching bags to be personally ridiculed. I know I didn't.
    If there's any point to take away from the numerous examples of authors behaving badly to reviews, it's that the author and their friends are not good judges of whether a review is unfair. Everyone who explodes thinks they're justified.

    Even when a review does cross the line, the reviewer will look bad whether the author replies or not. The only difference an author reply makes is whether the exchange also makes the author look bad. Up until the reply, sympathy for the author is guaranteed. After the reply, not so much. It's hard to reply to something like that, especially when you're upset, and come away looking good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polenth View Post
    Up until the reply, sympathy for the author is guaranteed. After the reply, not so much.
    The British royal family has a policy of not responding to criticism. So when you feel attacked? Act like the queen! Don't dignify the matter with a reply.

    (And, optionally, daydream about beheading the person.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjdebenedictis View Post
    So when you feel attacked? Act like the queen! Don't dignify the matter with a reply.
    I agree. Negative reviews might matter to the author on some level, but all legitimate reviews will be about the book. If it's a personal attack, then it's not about the book--and that makes it vapor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadan View Post
    Even if a review is nasty and personal, an author isn't going to do herself any favors by responding.

    I'm also skeptical of authors who claim reviews have become "personal." They tend to have trouble separating their books from themselves.
    Agreed on both counts.

    For me seeing is believing when it comes to personal attacks from both reviewers and authors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absitinvidia View Post
    I can accept this in an author. It's not good behavior, but it's understandable--to a point.

    What I cannot understand is how anyone who knows this woman thought she would make a good editor or publisher. I can't even imagine trying to interact with her, especially if there's a disagreement, on a professional basis.
    She's actually a good editor. Speaking as someone who used to count her as a friend, she's very accurate, insightful, and quick.

    I think she'll also make a success of publishing if she can get herself under control. It's like she cannot allow herself to be wrong about anything now she has this public profile. She always had that compulsion - and it may derive from the Asperger's - but it's now threatening to devour the Tri-State area and beyond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailerbride View Post
    She's actually a good editor. Speaking as someone who used to count her as a friend, she's very accurate, insightful, and quick.
    I can see this being the case, and (although I haven't read her book) she must be a talented writer too. She got a pretty positive review, there.

    Talent and social aptitude have no correlation. This is why I feel rather sorry for her. If she just had a bit more of a grasp on where her strengths and weaknesses lie, there's no reason why she couldn't lead a very successful life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaldna View Post
    I may be wrong here, but isn't Rebecca Hamilton an AW member - ladyinpink?

    And if I'm correct about the identity here, this latest round of histrionics should come as no surprise.
    Correct. Her twitter is a hot mess. I'm not a fan of anyone that encourages hacking of sites/people that disagree with them. She need to step away from the internet and cool the fuck down.

    Edit: My blood is boiling. I just saw Ms Hamilton's comment about rape. Read it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailerbride View Post
    She's actually a good editor. Speaking as someone who used to count her as a friend, she's very accurate, insightful, and quick.

    I think she'll also make a success of publishing if she can get herself under control. It's like she cannot allow herself to be wrong about anything now she has this public profile. She always had that compulsion - and it may derive from the Asperger's - but it's now threatening to devour the Tri-State area and beyond.
    Unfortunately, this is why many very small publishers fail. Not because the person driving the company lacks talent, but because they can't pull their shit together when things get rough. Bad stuff happens to everyone at some point. If this is how she reacts to adversity, I wouldn't trust my ms with her. I've been on the inside of a small publisher meltdown and it ain't pretty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailerbride View Post
    She's actually a good editor. Speaking as someone who used to count her as a friend, she's very accurate, insightful, and quick.
    Yes, but can she pick a publishable manuscript out of the slushpile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James D. Macdonald View Post
    Yes, but can she pick a publishable manuscript out of the slushpile?
    I would think so. I'd expect to see her focus on her genre and Fangirl Army audience and hope to break out from there.

    It's not her skills I've fallen out with. It's her hypocrisy and irrational behaviour.

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    From her blog:

    Trust me, I know the difference between what comes from my Aspergers and what comes from my personality/personality flaws/plain mistakes.
    To which I reply, in my non-neurotypical way, yuh-huh.

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    Which one of those reviewers do you think might advertise his/her services on Fiverr?

    And ... for the tiebreaker, who do you suppose the one person giving helpful/not helpful votes who broke from the common opinion on both reviews might have been?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James D. Macdonald View Post
    It's time to play Spot the Fake Review!
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    ETA: Oops! You did! I clicked the link and didn't finish reading your post before I commented.

    I love the added touch of calling the author named Peter "her" though!

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