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    Any chance someone could let me know what 'that site' is?

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    And in the latest episode of "author behaving badly" arriving in my Goodreads e-mail this morning...meet W1ll1am Rutherf0rd. he's evidently going back and deleting (after being at it all day), but many folks have copied/pasted his replies into their own.

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    Ouch.

    Also, am I allowed to name "that site"? I know we're not allowed to link to it because of google but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsonet View Post
    Ouch.

    Also, am I allowed to name "that site"? I know we're not allowed to link to it because of google but...
    Might be best to PM.
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    Yeah, sure. I don't see any reason not to name "That Site." It's called "Stop the Goodreads Bullies." It's a loser site, run by a loser for losers. We've seen some of them, failing hard, here in this thread.

    If Amazon hadn't made it possible for anyone with a computer to press the "Publish" button no one would have heard of any of them. Lulu.com is a bit above their capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsonet View Post
    Ouch.

    Also, am I allowed to name "that site"? I know we're not allowed to link to it because of google but...
    Naming them is fine; but I don't won't to give them the credence/page rank that linking to them here will give them.

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    I feel really bad for this author. She "spam" her book all over Goodreads, several members retaliated by picking apart her grammar in her books, she blogged about it and commented, and now apparently the police are involved because she's getting threatening phone calls.

    Can't authors learn not to respond? Nothing good ever happens by responding to reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meowzbark View Post
    I feel really bad for this author. She "spam" her book all over Goodreads, several members retaliated by picking apart her grammar in these books, she blogged about it and commented, and now apparently the police are involved because she's getting threatening phone calls.

    Can't authors learn not to respond? Nothing good ever happens by responding to reviews.

    http://www.goodreads.com/author/show...ve_Thomas/blog
    I looked at the comments to her latest post on her Goodreads page (, the one linked). Someone posting from her account is giving the impression they are working for the police (, or at least trying to). The answers they give however, does not look like something anyone working in law enforcement would give, and I've never heard of police taking over someone's online accounts and using them for posting comments.

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    I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that everybody is an idiot.

    Apart from us, obviously.

    But I do have sympathy for anybody whose hard copy publisher is PA. Does anybody know if the PA contract allows her to self-publish the ebook?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weirdmage View Post
    I looked at the comments to her latest post on her Goodreads page (, the one linked). Someone posting from her account is giving the impression they are working for the police (, or at least trying to). The answers they give however, does not look like something anyone working in law enforcement would give, and I've never heard of police taking over someone's online accounts and using them for posting comments.
    That's because they don't.

    It's just more bullshit to add to the steaming pile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meowzbark View Post
    I feel really bad for this author. She "spam" her book all over Goodreads, several members retaliated by picking apart her grammar in her books, she blogged about it and commented, and now apparently the police are involved because she's getting threatening phone calls.

    Can't authors learn not to respond? Nothing good ever happens by responding to reviews.

    http://www.goodreads.com/author/show...ve_Thomas/blog

    I feel bad for her, too. This was naivete, not malice. But I do wish she hadn't gone ahead and linked to STGRB, there. And I really wish she didn't have someone pretending to be in law enforcement posting from her account/hadn't begun pretending that. Not only would law enforcement not openly do such a thing, but no one in law enforcement would confuse "slander" and "libel."

    I believe Eve is a decent and very enthusiastic person who knows very little about how all of this works, and her enthusiasm led her into some places best not explored. She should really just step away from the computer now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacia Kane View Post
    I believe Eve is a decent and very enthusiastic person who knows very little about how all of this works, and her enthusiasm led her into some places best not explored.

    I think you're being awfully generous. She's responding like every other Special Snowflake author we've seen implode over criticism and bad reviews. She drank the StGRB kool-aid and now she's feigning police involvement and invoking guilt trips ("Why are you trying to hurt charities? Why are you trying to ruin this poor woman's career?") on her critics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadan View Post
    I think you're being awfully generous. She's responding like every other Special Snowflake author we've seen implode over criticism and bad reviews. She drank the StGRB kool-aid and now she's feigning police involvement and invoking guilt trips ("Why are you trying to hurt charities? Why are you trying to ruin this poor woman's career?") on her critics.
    I agree. Pretending that some law enforcement agency now controls her account, well, it's just weird. And looking at the style it's written in, and the spelling mistakes etc.... very unconvincing.

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    Oh, dear. She's published by PublishAmerica. That charity isn't going to get any money from this book, because sales will be next-to-nonexistent. And that's assuming PA will actually pay the owed royalties in the first place.

    Just wait 'til she gets her first "tone" letter!

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    Eve actually posted here so I'd be tempted to give her a little more slack were it not for the fact that she's blatantly sock puppeting her own GR account by pretending it's in the control of third parties when you only have to read the style of language to see that it blatantly isn't. She's trying to stop people talking about her by threatening legal action and no matter what she's been through, that's never a good idea.

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    She can ask me for advice privately. And I can give her lots better advice than her new friends over at STGRB because I've actually done what they only wish they could do.

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    While I do enjoy rubbernecking an internet meltdown, this is getting to the point where it's a regular pile-on involving the same people over and over, and that's just ugly.

    I'm not a fan of these "bad-author-behaviour" shelves, I feel they smack of self-righteous "Free Speech" banner waving. It's not about exercising our "right" - as it were - to not read books because of authors' behaviour, it's about making sure the author (and everybody else) knows we think they are a jerk.

    Trouble is, for every Eve Thomas (naive, genuinely distressed, compounding own mistakes, published by PA and thanking them for it) there's a Carroll Bryant who has a great talent for spin, but a slightly greater one for undermining it and showing himself up. I don't like seeing somebody as distressed as Eve obviously is, but I hope the CB situation has raised awareness about grooming (top tip: you can perform a Google image search for an actual image. If you are a teenager and somebody sends you a picture of themselves, make that the first thing you do, 'k?)

    I don't like the shelves but I support the right of people to have them. I don't like that the solution is the title of this thread (because it sounds a bit like victim blaming). I don't like that the "winner" of any of these things is the side with the stamina to continue posting the longest.

    I recently read a blog post (I wish I could remember where - hopefully somebody will know the one I'm talking about) about how your behaviour will kick you in the arse. Briefly: Writer X harasses women at conventions and elsewhere, women tell each other to avoid X, word quietly gets around and reaches the ears of this blogger, blogger does not give platform to X (no reviews, no guest posts etc), X is unaware of situation.

    That's my kind of solution. But then, I'm posh and British: I express my hatred and disdain with exquisite politeness.

    Maybe I'm saying that we should try and protect some people from themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theo81 View Post
    I don't like the shelves but I support the right of people to have them. I don't like that the solution is the title of this thread (because it sounds a bit like victim blaming).
    Yeah, no. As the one who started this thread, I reject the idea that an author who gets a bad review and throws a tantrum over it is a "victim."

    I recently read a blog post (I wish I could remember where - hopefully somebody will know the one I'm talking about) about how your behaviour will kick you in the arse. Briefly: Writer X harasses women at conventions and elsewhere, women tell each other to avoid X, word quietly gets around and reaches the ears of this blogger, blogger does not give platform to X (no reviews, no guest posts etc), X is unaware of situation.
    Yeah, the problem with that is, Google "Isaac Asimov butt pinching." People knew for years that Asimov would grope any comely female who came within arm's length of him. Word got around and women quietly avoided being in proximity to him - if they could - if they didn't want their butts pinched. But because no one ever called him out on it, the behavior went on unabated for years and he and all the other guys doing that shit thought "Tee hee ain't it cute?"

    Nowadays, you do that shit and you are more likely to have an Internet firestorm blow up and drag your name through the mud, and everyone will know you are a butt-pinching jerk. I mean, even Harlan effing Ellison, who's used to people calling him an asshole and revels in it, had to make a (half-assed, not very sincere) show of remorse after he groped Connie Willis.

    Mean? Rude? Yeah, but even guys who would continue to do that if they could get away with it are more likely to think twice, knowing there will be consequences other than women whispering in secret.

    Do some of these "dogpiles" get a little over the top? Maybe. And I will admit I enjoy them as much for the popcorn factor as the didactic value. But I feel no guilt over naming and shaming, and very little sympathy for people who bring it on themselves.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Theo81 View Post
    I recently read a blog post (I wish I could remember where - hopefully somebody will know the one I'm talking about) about how your behaviour will kick you in the arse. Briefly: Writer X harasses women at conventions and elsewhere, women tell each other to avoid X, word quietly gets around and reaches the ears of this blogger, blogger does not give platform to X (no reviews, no guest posts etc), X is unaware of situation.
    I think you're referring to Jim C Hines' recent blog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMaree View Post
    I think you're referring to Jim C Hines' recent blog.
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    He shouldn't need to post stuff like that, though. And Scalzi waded in with thoughts on the behavior of people at conventions as well... A handful of people are making a lot of normal, non-gropey folks look bad when those stories break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWords View Post
    He shouldn't need to post stuff like that, though. And Scalzi waded in with thoughts on the behavior of people at conventions as well... A handful of people are making a lot of normal, non-gropey folks look bad when those stories break.

    How do a few dudes with wandering hands make normal people look bad? We know these people are in the minority, but they still need to be dealt with.
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    It is the emphasis on conventions in a lot of the talk about these people, which makes it seem "you'll get groped if you go to a convention" for anyone who hasn't actually been to one. Then all the strange looks when I say there are a couple I want to go to...

    And really, not copping a feel is pretty much a basic thing to know, no matter where the assaults take place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bearilou View Post
    I already love Jim Hines. Recently, every time he puts fingers to keyboard, he manages to make me love him a little bit more.
    I love him, too, from reading the linked post and the review of How to Train Your Dragon (movie) I noticed in the sidebar.
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