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    As an editor who has worked for a number of digital presses, royalty only payment, while common, is not good if the goal is to earn money.

    I've worked for a few places that paid a flat rate of $200 per book and others who have a set fee per book but will pay part in cash upon completion of editing and the other part at release and those who pay part in cash at completion of editing and the rest in royalties up to a certain amount and those who pay only in royalties. I know I'm preaching to the choir here when I say that for all the hours spent on those books (and I NEVER sacrifice my quality standards), I made pennies. When I did that job, I was new but it didn't take me long to realize my effort, time and talent are worth more. The other payment plans aren't great but the presses aren't New York either as far as money, and I'm okay with that. It's at least something until I decide if I want to do this full time (I have a fabulous day job) and make the leap to New York or big commercial presses.

    Over the years, I've worked with editors who most definitely do not work as hard for royalties than they would if paid a flat fee or even partial. Or if they start out strong, when they start seeing what is actually coming in, they either leave if they are good or stay. He thinks he's going to make $15,000 per book? Did I really read that? In the past six years in all the houses I've worked with, only a handful have come close and over. Guess how much the editor saw? $150.00 ($75 up front and up to $75 in royalties).

    I'm sure editors will respond. Likely they will be inexperienced/new, use that editing experience to get some work under their belts then go off and offer services as freelance editor (I know several who did just that) or move on to bigger, better paying houses.

    It's a risk publishers who only pay royalties have to take. That business plan usually results in high turnover with editors or the editors who stay may be serviceable but not ones who have high quality standards. Now, before someone beats me up , I fully recognize, as I know a number of these types of editors as well, there are reasons for staying such as they love what they are doing and don't need to worry about the money and are happy with what they get. They can be strong editors and perfectly content. I know some of them too.

    However, for someone like me, who wells knows their value, I'll never take another position for royalties only. My work and time means much more to me than that.

    An Old Hack, if an editor is not renewed or quits, in most of the presses they get nada. No more money. I've only heard of one press, and the name escapes me, that continues to pay editors royalties when they no longer work for the house. Most quite clearly state in agreement no more payments if editor quits or contract not renewed.

    I wish Travis luck in finding (and keeping) good editors.
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    Hi Cassie,

    Our Editors do get paid indefinitely, so long as the work remains in publication. We have several individuals who no longer maintain an active contract who may attest to that fact. Their payments bi-annually, have been fairly stable. We also retain the option to hire them back, and for several, we do use them for overflow work is needed.

    There is a turnover clause in their contract in case they resign during the middle of the contract. The contracts are for the most part renewed. Most who turnover, do so in the first 90 days of coming onto contract.

    I will be the first to say that it would be cheaper in several respects to hire them onto a salary, I am working to rectify that, but to say the least, I am comfortable, and I am able to absorb losses, but they are not deep enough, yet, to bring editors onto salary.

    Please let me know if there are other questions that you all would like answered. I saw the number crunching a page back...very interesting numbers.
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    I think that even a flat-fee per book would probably work out more in the editors' immediate favour than ongoing royality payments. In order to live and work, and consider editing a job, people need to have some conception of what they'll actually be making and when. I think even if you said, 'We pay $200 for a full manuscript edit." (That's a very low fee, btw) I think that's much more fair and transparent to editors.

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    It is also IMHO more fair, as how well a book sells has fairly little to do with who edited it. So two editors performing at the same level with get very disparate pay rates.

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    From A Scared Novice Author

    I submitted to this publisher a few months ago and was very excited when I received a request a couple of weeks ago for a full manuscript. I, of course, had done my research into the company, and had seen the warning on Predators and Editors (which simply stated "bad contacts" and read through this forum. However, I made two vital errors: I did not look up their books on Amazon and Barnes and Noble, and I had read this forum on my phone, which didn't immediately reveal that there were 5 other pages (my phone only revealed the first 10 pages). Because of these two crucial errors, I had assumed that, given the P&E warning and the fact that the first 10 pages of this forum discuss mainly contact issues, that this was the only issue that people were having with this publishing house. Of course, I plan on bringing any contact that I get to a lawyer before signing anything (my cousin is in International Corporate Law, and I also plan on paying for a lawyer that specializes more in literary contacts), so I chose to dismiss these concerns.

    It's been a couple of weeks since I sent them my manuscript, and have been eagerly awaiting their response. Upon realizing my mistakes, I searched for their books on amazon. To my shock, there were/are 29 books listed in total, which isn't a huge deal, but all of their books are ranked in the multi-millions. Knowing that amazon sales ranks are not the be-all end-all, I chose to come back to this forum (is only recently started an account and wanted to post and ask if anyone had any RECENT experience with them). That's when I noticed the last 5 pages.

    I would like to thank all of you for your diligence in this thread. I do not wish to speak ill ofind Zharmae, as I am only in the beginning of this process with them and would like to have my own experiences before making any judgements. However, to any novice authors like myself, who may not have seen it, I direct you to pages 14 and 15 of this thread, as it contains the most illuminating dialogues.

    My concern is this: the final posts in this thread are in April of last year (2015). I know that it is probably unlikely that things could change much in that short time period, but anything is possible. That being said, is there anyone who has had any RECENT experiences with them, and would be willing to offer their two-cents?

    If anyone from Zharmae is reading this, is there anything that you can add that might alleviate my fears?

    I apologize that this post is so long, but I'm a writer not anecessarily editor! (That was a joke!). Thanks so much for taking the time to read this, and I will be sure to post any future experiences that I have for the benefit of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allen.minor View Post
    I submitted to this publisher a few months ago and was very excited when I received a request a couple of weeks ago for a full manuscript. I, of course, had done my research into the company, and had seen the warning on Predators and Editors (which simply stated "bad contacts" and read through this forum. However, I made two vital errors: I did not look up their books on Amazon and Barnes and Noble, and I had read this forum on my phone, which didn't immediately reveal that there were 5 other pages (my phone only revealed the first 10 pages). Because of these two crucial errors, I had assumed that, given the P&E warning and the fact that the first 10 pages of this forum discuss mainly contact issues, that this was the only issue that people were having with this publishing house. Of course, I plan on bringing any contact that I get to a lawyer before signing anything (my cousin is in International Corporate Law, and I also plan on paying for a lawyer that specializes more in literary contacts), so I chose to dismiss these concerns.
    Note that while lawyers might be able to tell you if the contract you've been offered is legally sound they're not going to be able to tell you if it's favourable, in publishing terms. They're not going to be able to tell you how its terms (and therefore, the payment and support you might receive from your publisher) compare to those offered by other publishers; they're not going to negotiate that contract for you and make it work for you.

    All they'll tell you is if it is enforceable.

    And many IP lawyers don't have the publishing experience to be able to even tell you that with any accuracy, because while they might know their area of the law, they don't necessarily know how publishing works.

    Agents do this far better, in my experience, and will help you develop your writing career too.

    My concern is this: the final posts in this thread are in April of last year (2015). I know that it is probably unlikely that things could change much in that short time period, but anything is possible. That being said, is there anyone who has had any RECENT experiences with them, and would be willing to offer their two-cents?

    If anyone from Zharmae is reading this, is there anything that you can add that might alleviate my fears?
    In my experience, publishers which don't start off well tend to sink lower. I don't think I've ever seen one which started off where Zharmae did improve to the point where I'd recommend them.

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    Thank you so much for your valuable advice. Each time I research and publisher or agent I am again reminded of how amazing this forum is, especially for unpublished/unagented authors, such as myself. Thanks again, and I'm so glad that I finally made an account!

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    Hello! I posted on this thread WAY back when it was started and then again a year later. Since then I've been relatively busy with other things and haven't been able to be online like I might wish. I did sign with TZPP and two of my books were published by them. I no longer am a Zharmae author because I chose to leave. I have hammered this out with Travis and my books will no longer be in publication with TZPP at the end of January.

    While I had a good experience with editing initially, on my first book, along with the availability of staff, ease of communication, design of my cover, and initial release, I cannot say I've enjoyed the majority of my time with the company, which is regrettable. I felt Zharmae had promise. It may yet, but it is not a place I can flourish. I will be a supporter of Zharmae authors in as much as I am a supporter of any author, but I've learned my lesson and I will be listening to y'all from this point on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by folclor View Post
    Hello! I posted on this thread WAY back when it was started and then again a year later. Since then I've been relatively busy with other things and haven't been able to be online like I might wish. I did sign with TZPP and two of my books were published by them. I no longer am a Zharmae author because I chose to leave. I have hammered this out with Travis and my books will no longer be in publication with TZPP at the end of January.

    While I had a good experience with editing initially, on my first book, along with the availability of staff, ease of communication, design of my cover, and initial release, I cannot say I've enjoyed the majority of my time with the company, which is regrettable. I felt Zharmae had promise. It may yet, but it is not a place I can flourish. I will be a supporter of Zharmae authors in as much as I am a supporter of any author, but I've learned my lesson and I will be listening to y'all from this point on.
    How many copies did your books sell through Zharmae? Can you share?

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    And if you're willing to share that info, did you recognize any real profit from their "net profits" royalty model?


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    I'm not sure if it's okay for me to share the numbers and I'd rather not get into any legal issues thereby. I can say I made almost nothing. I think I made somewhere in the $40 range with my debut book and my last royalty statement was $8.25. I don't know that it was the net royalty structure as much as a lack of ability to market or make large scale sales.

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    Wait, is there actually a non-disclosure clause in your contract for your own sales numbers??
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    I'm a bit confused on that, honestly. There is some sort of a non-disclosure clause, but I felt it was not made clear initially and I don't know what it covers, so I'm just playing it safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by folclor View Post
    I'm not sure if it's okay for me to share the numbers and I'd rather not get into any legal issues thereby. I can say I made almost nothing. I think I made somewhere in the $40 range with my debut book and my last royalty statement was $8.25. I don't know that it was the net royalty structure as much as a lack of ability to market or make large scale sales.
    Those figures are dreadful. Just dreadful. I'm so sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Hack View Post
    Those figures are dreadful. Just dreadful. I'm so sorry.
    Yeah, that's the main reason I left. I'm querying again, but I doubt I'll have much luck. Still, I'm willing to answer anyone's questions about an author's experience with Zharmae. Obviously, each person is different, but I will be as honest as possible.

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    In a very UNscientific way to gauge sales, I searched Amazon for the most reviewed book from the Zharmae line, and then I looked that title up on Bookscan. It sold 126 copies since release. Most of the other titles were significantly lower. Of course it's hard to predict sales with Bookscan, as it typically reflects a percentage of sales (those copies sold through most major outlets). But even if that represented 50% of the total print sales for that title, you're looking at sales in the 250 copy range.

    Circling back to an earlier point raised in this thread--no editor is ever going to make a penny if that's a best case scenario. Even if the book stays in print for 20 years (assuming that the book has done the majority of its sales in the first year).

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