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Originally posted by Old Hack 07-07-2011, 08:24 PM:
Linen Press is now going to charge £5 per submission.
Which means that I will now advise people to not even consider submitting to it.
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Originally posted by veinglory 07-07-2011, 08:39 PM:
Gee, maybe selling books at a net loss wasn't such a brilliant idea after all.
[Crosses that one off the list]
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Originally posted by priceless1 07-07-2011, 08:50 PM:
I'm sorry, but anyone who consistently loses money selling their books is doing something seriously wrong. Why would authors want to be a part of that venture?
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Originally posted by Old Hack 07-07-2011, 08:54 PM:
No need to be sorry, Lynn. You're absolutely right.
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Originally posted by michael b 07-07-2011, 10:34 PM:
Maybe she should rethink selling through Amazon, or do what the smarter publishers did and jack up their prices to allow for Amazon's discounts. Of course if that small discount means she's loosing money, maybe there's more wrong than Amazon's discount.
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Originally posted by Theo81 07-08-2011 12:01 AM:
I had considered this publisher for ages because I liked their mission statement, but in the end I had too many personal concerns, particularly about their unsustainable business model.
I am appalled by their decision to charge for submissions (which according to the submissions page is ten pounds, not the five specified in the blog, which really,
really builds up the confidence levels).
The way it has been outlined in the blog sounds scarily reasonable, but quite honestly, it's not the way to run a business. If you don't have the time to send a personal reply to somebody, don't do it. If a writer has a problem with that, what exactly is the publishing house missing out on? The writer's great attitude?
Going by agent blogs, the 7 - 10 submissions a week The Linen Press gets is not a big number, especially when 4-6 are simply not very well written (as specified in the blog post).
If the first page is badly written, stop reading and send a form rejection. It's not difficult. It's nice that The Linen Press wants to help by offering feedback, but it shouldn't come at the expense of other things.
Ideology is all well and good, but the primary thing I want in a publisher is an ability to run a business. All this charging malarkey is going to do is increase the number of illiterate submissions from writers who don't understand the cardinal rule.
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Originally posted by veinglory 07-08-2011 12:17 AM:
Publishers get slush, this is not new. They generally respond by accepting less, reading less of what they get, reading faster, or getting someone cheap or free (i.e. "intern") to discard the obvious dogs.
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Originally posted by priceless1 07-08-2011 12:57 AM:
From her About Us page:
I read all submissions and look favourably on those that would be chucked aside by the big guys.
This kind of statement drives me nuts because they're appealing to authors feeling good and flattered rather than discussing their ability to get their books sold. It's window dressing. And really, what does that statement mean, anyway? Have they determined exactly what "the big guys" chuck aside? They're wasting time with feel-good smoke and mirrors when they should be discussing how they distribute their books into large marketplaces.
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Originally posted by pangalactic 07-08-2011 01:16 AM:
Originally Posted by
priceless1
From her About Us page:
I read all submissions and look favourably on those that would be chucked aside by the big guys.
This kind of statement drives me nuts because they're appealing to authors feeling good and flattered rather than discussing their ability to get their books sold. It's window dressing. And really, what does that statement mean, anyway? Have they determined exactly what "the big guys" chuck aside? They're wasting time with feel-good smoke and mirrors when they should be discussing how they distribute their books into large marketplaces.
What that says to me is that they'd be willing to take sub-par manuscripts - because those are the ones that are 'chucked aside by the big guys', surely? If they're willing to accept work that isn't of the highest quality possible...well, that's a red flag for me.
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Originally posted by priceless1 07-08-2011 02:29 AM:
Originally Posted by
pangalactic
What that says to me is that they'd be willing to take sub-par manuscripts - because those are the ones that are 'chucked aside by the big guys', surely? If they're willing to accept work that isn't of the highest quality possible...well, that's a red flag for me.
Linen's implication is that publishers reject for only one reason - that they're not blockbuster books. That simply isn't true. Publishers reject for a whole variety of reasons - their season is filled, wrong genre, huge word count, low word count, lousy writing, unmarketable story, overcrowded genre. The list goes on and on.
It's a non-statement because it has no meaning. What's right for us, for instance, may be "sub par" for another publisher.
They're trying to say they are the first line of defense after a "big publisher" rejection, and think they'd be much more convincing if they focused on how their books are sold and distributed.
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Originally posted by veinglory 07-08-2011 03:11 AM:
But to be fair, if a close reading of slush is part of their brand that is fine, but... well, it is up to them to make that work.
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Originally posted by priceless1 07-08-2011 05:22 AM:
Originally Posted by
veinglory
But to be fair, if a close reading of slush is part of their brand that is fine, but... well, it is up to them to make that work.
But small presses read their goody pile (I hate the word slush) at some point, so this isn't really a selling tool. It's like saying, "Hey, we put covers on our books!"
They don't say how they distribute and make sales, something I think an author should be far more concerned about than crowing about reading their goody pile.
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Originally posted by Unimportant -7-08-2011 06:07 AM:
Originally Posted by
veinglory
But to be fair, if a close reading of slush is part of their brand that is fine, but... well, it is up to them to make that work.
"Close reading?" While at times the owner claims to be poring over submissions nonstop,
their webpage says:
NEW
£10 CHARGE FOR SUBMISSIONS
PLEASE NOTE THAT FROM NOW ON, Linen Press has decided to charge £10.00 to all writers wishing to submit their work for consideration by our company
immediately followed by
Rejections
I am sorry but I no longer have time to write a personal letter to every writer who sends in a manuscript which is not right for Linen Press. If I did respond to each of you, I would do nothing else. As a writer, I know how disappointing it is to receive a standard rejection letter but a rejection from me does not necessarily mean that you do not have talent. It may be that your submission is not suitable for this small publishing house or that your writing is a long way off ready for publication.
BUT….
But if your submission is really promising……
you may still get a personal reply.
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Originally posted by Old Hack 07-08-2011 09:52 AM:
Right. So, to enable Linen Press to continue to spend ages reading through all submissions and commenting on them it's now going to charge either £5 or £10 per submission and then... it's not going to comment on them.
That's clear.
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Originally posted by veinglory 07-08-2011 06:40 PM:
Well... that's a lose/lose situation.
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Originally posted by Old Hack 07-08-2011 11:18 PM:
I left a comment on the Linen Press blog-post about their charging for submissions: it was not approved.
The blog post appears to have been deleted. All I see when I click on the link I left earlier is this:
And the submissions page now has no mention of a reading fee.
ETA: however, they now are offering paid-for critiques beginning at £40 for an initial assessment, with estimated cost for an 80k novel £210-300.
There's still a conflict of interests there.
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Originally posted by Theo81 07-08-2011 11:39 PM:
The text quoted above regarding not being able to write a personal rejection was on there before the submissions guidelines had the (now vanished) £10 pricetag. I really wouldn't read anything into it. I'd say the submissions page got edited to put the charge on without the existing text being looked at.
Whether this means a reversal of policy or a delay until it The Linen Press has a chance to implement it with a totally rewritten submissions page is anybody's guess.
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Originally posted by Unimportant 07-09-2011 12:52 AM:
Originally Posted by
Old Hack
I left a comment on the Linen Press blog-post about their charging for submissions: it was not approved.
The blog post appears to have been deleted.
Yep, I too left a comment that didn't get approved, and yep, as far as I can see the entire blog post is no longer there.
Hopefully they'll re-think this one.
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Originally posted by Old Hack 07-09-2011 01:21 AM:
They might re-think it but as far as I'm concerned, it's too late now.
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Originally posted by BenPanced 07-09-2011 03:05 AM:
At this rate, they're going to start charing 25 quid...
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Originally posted by michael b 07-09-2011 12:57 PM:
Well I imagine this should cut down on all those submissions she's complaining about.
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Originally posted by HapiSofi 07-09-2011 03:17 PM:
My great-aunt's a small-press slush reader
Takes books others chuck in the bin
She'll take you all right for a tenner
My gawd how the money rolls in
My great-aunt's gone upwardly mobile
Ten pounds a book spread her too thin
She'll now read your book for three hundred
My gawd how the money rolls in
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