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Thread: Famed Astrophysicist Claims Mars' Moon Phobos is a Hollow Spaceship

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    I love all these space theories but I get so scared and start shivering looking at pictures of Space. I think I must have a phobia of some kind because I just adblocked that picture.

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    Good gods the writing in that second article made my brain hurt. And made me believe this less.

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    Okay, well, how do we explain the Phobos Anomaly that looks like a pentagram, has a portal to Deimos, and is guarded by two Barons of Hell?

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    Carl Sagan ("billions and billions") said this in the 70's, but soon refused to talk about it. Actually, he said both Phobos and Deimos orbited Mars as if they were hollow. Now, his research/writing partner is finally expounding on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mara View Post
    Okay, well, how do we explain the Phobos Anomaly that looks like a pentagram, has a portal to Deimos, and is guarded by two Barons of Hell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mara View Post
    Okay, well, how do we explain the Phobos Anomaly that looks like a pentagram, has a portal to Deimos, and is guarded by two Barons of Hell?

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    Russia is sending a probe there later this year, amusingly called the 'Phobos Grunt' probe.

    So we will know more come february 2013, when the probe lands. The probe is also going to return samples, but they would take another 2 years to get back.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos-Grunt
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    There's also a very screwy theory that the Earth's moon, Luna, is likewise a hollow space station of some kind.

    I have no idea how long that notion has been kicking around. But between Star Wars and The Truman Show, it has certainly found its way into pop culture in one form or another.

    One thing that this Luna-space station hypothesis has going for it is the long-standing prevalance of the generally accepted supposition that there's really no way Earth should even have a moon in the first place, and certainly not one as huge as Luna.
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    Generally accepted supposition? There is a scientific explanation for the Moon that holds up so far.

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    One thing that this Luna-space station hypothesis has going for it is the long-standing prevalance of the generally accepted supposition that there's really no way Earth should even have a moon in the first place, and certainly not one as huge as Luna.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plot Device View Post
    There's also a very screwy theory that the Earth's moon, Luna, is likewise a hollow space station of some kind.

    I have no idea how long that notion has been kicking around. But between Star Wars and The Truman Show, it has certainly found its way into pop culture in one form or another.

    One thing that this Luna-space station hypothesis has going for it is the long-standing prevalance of the generally accepted supposition that there's really no way Earth should even have a moon in the first place, and certainly not one as huge as Luna.
    We got hit by a Mars size object very early on, and the Earth spewed out the Moon.

    Handily, "Mars sized object" provides a good lead to the prime suspect.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Smileycat View Post
    Carl Sagan ("billions and billions") said this in the 70's, but soon refused to talk about it. Actually, he said both Phobos and Deimos orbited Mars as if they were hollow. Now, his research/writing partner is finally expounding on this.
    Incorrect on several points:

    1) Sagan said this in the 60s when he and Shklovsky published their book. Shklovsky actually first made the claim in the 50s.

    2) To my knowledge, he didn't "soon refuse" to talk about it. The book with Shklovsky was a one-time thing. He moved on to other studies. That happens a lot with researchers and authors. Doesn't mean there's any backtracking or conspiracy. Also, once the theory was disproven, maybe Sagan wanted to forget he was ever associated with the nonsense, so he just never brought it up much after that?

    3) Shklovsky and Sagan only worked on the one book. To say that Shklovsky was Sagan's "research/writing" partner is more than a stretch. They worked on ONE book together. That's it. Your phrasing suggests that they worked closely throughout their careers. They did not.

    4) Shklovsky isn't "finally expounding" on this nonsense theory. He died 26 years ago. And his theory has since been resoundly dismissed as false with further study over the years. Turns out, his calculations (or, the ones he built his theory on) were wrong. Phobos isn't "hollow" or covered in sheet metal (or whatever his other dumb claim was). It's likely just a big pile of floating rocks stuck together or it's honeycombed in some way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plot Device View Post
    There's also a very screwy theory that the Earth's moon, Luna, is likewise a hollow space station of some kind.
    Quote Originally Posted by Plot Device View Post

    I have no idea how long that notion has been kicking around. But between Star Wars and The Truman Show, it has certainly found its way into pop culture in one form or another.


    One thing that this Luna-space station hypothesis has going for it is the long-standing prevalance of the generally accepted supposition that there's really no way Earth should even have a moon in the first place, and certainly not one as huge as Luna.


    Some people say because the Moon rang like a bell for over an hour when Apollo 13 landed, it must be hollow. Some scientists say it rang like a bell because there is no liquid (or molten core) on the Moon, and that it is not hollow.

    Some say the far side of the Moon shows a severe crack in its surface, and that there is a protrusion opposite of it on this side of the Moon (or something like that), which is evidence that something went straight through the Moon. My mind is not made up on this issue. I never really studied it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opty View Post
    Incorrect on several points:

    1) Sagan said this in the 60s when he and Shklovsky published their book. Shklovsky actually first made the claim in the 50s.

    2) To my knowledge, he didn't "soon refuse" to talk about it. The book with Shklovsky was a one-time thing. He moved on to other studies. That happens a lot with researchers and authors. Doesn't mean there's any backtracking or conspiracy. Also, once the theory was disproven, maybe Sagan wanted to forget he was ever associated with the nonsense, so he just never brought it up much after that?

    3) Shklovsky and Sagan only worked on the one book. To say that Shklovsky was Sagan's "research/writing" partner is more than a stretch. They worked on ONE book together. That's it. Your phrasing suggests that they worked closely throughout their careers. They did not.

    4) Shklovsky isn't "finally expounding" on this nonsense theory. He died 26 years ago. And his theory has since been resoundly dismissed as false with further study over the years. Turns out, his calculations (or, the ones he built his theory on) were wrong. Phobos isn't "hollow" or covered in sheet metal (or whatever his other dumb claim was). It's likely just a big pile of floating rocks stuck together or it's honeycombed in some way.

    I'm "incorrect on several points," am I? I don't even make several points!

    1) I remembered the year wrong. Okay, so I was wrong on ONE of your points, and it is A MINOR ONE. I didn't read it until the seventies. I was too young before that!

    2) Well, he stopped talking about it. He actually (as far as I can tell) didn't make a big deal out of it. He never brought it up and he wouldn't talk about it. Same difference, as the saying goes, Opty!

    3) You are a bit thick. He was his writing partner and research partner with Sagan ON THIS BOOK. Is that false? NO!!

    4) Let's see your proof, Opty. I dare you.
    Last edited by Smileycat; 04-10-2011 at 08:15 PM. Reason: Added to reply to point 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smileycat View Post
    4) Let's see your proof, Opty. I dare you.
    Wait, proof that Shklovsky has been dead for over twenty-five years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by robeiae View Post
    Wait, proof that Shklovsky has been dead for over twenty-five years?
    By now, the worms have probably hollowed Shklovsky out good and proper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robeiae View Post
    Wait, proof that Shklovsky has been dead for over twenty-five years?

    No! lol This part: "And his theory has since been resoundly dismissed as false with further study over the years. Turns out, his calculations (or, the ones he built his theory on) were wrong. Phobos isn't "hollow" or covered in sheet metal (or whatever his other dumb claim was). It's likely just a big pile of floating rocks stuck together or it's honeycombed in some way."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priene View Post
    By now, the worms have probably hollowed Shklovsky out good and proper.

    Geesh. This article just came out, and now it is news. I wrote the post when I was tired. I didn't specify that what he said was old. I knew he was dead. Do I have to repeat the whole story? I shouldn't have to!

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    Smileycat, you need to edit yourself. Telling another member "you are a bit thick" isn't okay. I know we've discussed before that the burden of proof for an assertion in here is on the member making the assertions.

    Getting angry because people are challenging assertions you've made isn't going to fly. This room is FOR challenging assertions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smileycat View Post
    4) Let's see your proof, Opty. I dare you.
    It's easy enough to determine that he died 26 years ago, so I'll assume you're not referring to that.

    As far as modern data collected that disputes Shklovsky's calculations and/or assertions that Phobos is a hollowed-out shell (possibly covered in sheet metal)...

    http://www.dlr.de/mars/en/desktopdef...22_read-13776/


    I'd post more but you didn't double-dog dare me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opty View Post
    It's easy enough to determine that he died 26 years ago, so I'll assume you're not referring to that.

    As far as modern data collected that disputes Shklovsky's calculations and/or assertions that Phobos is a hollowed-out shell (possibly covered in sheet metal)...

    http://www.dlr.de/mars/en/desktopdef...22_read-13776/


    I'd post more but you didn't double-dog dare me.
    Opty - how're you doin' today?

    There is a severe crack in Phobos, so that's why they think it might be a junk pile, but then again, maybe not. The article you posted a link to says Phobos orbits over the equator and they can't figure that out. Other articles say Phobos seems to be made of metal. I don't know if that's true. That wasn't my thing here.

    To reiterate, 1) I read the book in the 70's, not '66 when it came out. That's why I remember the 70's; 2) I knew Shklovsky was dead, but I thought the article he wrote was a valid one, since it was published by science sites; 3) Of course I realized they (S and S) were not lifelong partners. I never said they were.

    Don't know why you made a big deal out of this. Would you like to share?

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