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    Terry Jones death threats.

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15...reats-24780307


    Well, I don't think anyone can be surprised by this. I think this deserves a thread to itself because it's going to be an evolving story, and my guess is that these threats are not idle.

    A couple of questions arise from this, namely, If this pastor gets assassinated: What will be the reaction of Americans?
    What will be the response of Muslim Americans? Will there be mass protests and even more Quran burnings? Will this effect the Presidential election, possibly benefitting a Michelle Bachman "type" hardliner with anti-islamic views?


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    Well, he knows and understands the repercussions of his actions. That said, then he is ready to die for his beliefs. To me personally, he made his choice. As long as it is only to his and his asst., then let the chips fall where they may. I understand that this sounds callous, but when a person does something like this he must take the responsibly that goes with it.

    It makes me sad, as the out flowing rings of this may include others. I see where his followers have backed away from him. I don't think the gov. should have to keep him safe, but I see that they too are between a rock and a hard place.

    I agree with Don, I don't think this is the last of it. It's pretty sad for a preacher to do things that require him to carry a fire arm. I also will go out on a limb here and state, IMHO, that God did not tell him to do this.

    This is just another one of those things that give Christians a bad rep.
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    Wow. He witnessed--and approved--of a book being burned so his life is forfeit? Really?

    But I kinda doubt the legitimacy of some of these supposed threats. I wouldn't put it past this clown to exaggerate or even make up threats, just to get the attention.

    I'm still kinda amazed that his actions had any repercussions at all, let alone ones halfway across the world. Why do news agencies give such fools any coverage, anyway?
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    I don't know Rob, the police are investing a lot of resources and manpower to keep this guy safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robeiae View Post
    I'm still kinda amazed that his actions had any repercussions at all, let alone ones halfway across the world. Why do news agencies give such fools any coverage, anyway?
    Probably because it's easier to explain what went on in Afghanistan as us vs. Them moslems, than it is to send someone from the cozy offices in the US or Europe to analyse the situation on the ground there.

    I mean, a cursory scant reading reveals a "nation" ravaged by war and civil strife over the last fifty years, where people have become accustomed to violence and where the institutions are so weak that the only way to exert influence is to force the influence.

    Without the chance for fair redress of grievances and without the chance for protection of life, property and security your best chance is to sign up with a group of some kind that have lots of guns and lots of people. And once you sign up, you need to rationalise the belonging to the group to yourself by adopting the attributes of the group, attributes which may include some pretty pernicious agendas.

    The answers to why these people died can't be found in Florida. Even with whackjobs like these pastors running about. The answers all reside in Afghanistan, and those answers can not be summarized in bullets for a 20-second news item.
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    See what's worrying me a bit about this, is that it has the distinct possibility of blowing up into a huge "First Amendment" everyone else be damned issue.

    Because as much as Muslims hate the burning of the Quran, Americans hate being told they can't practice free speech, even questionable free speech, (aka.... The KKK, Larry Flynt, Flag Burning,etc. etc.)

    That's why I'm hoping this thing burns out and go's away, though I got a bad feeling.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Allen View Post
    I don't know Rob, the police are investing a lot of resources and manpower to keep this guy safe.
    I think they should consider keeping him safe in jail. He knowingly committed an act that has placed every American, serviceperson or civilian, in hazard in many places in the world. And he did it for purposes of personal aggrandizement, nothing more. Comes close to the definition of treason, seems to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacbird View Post
    I think they should consider keeping him safe in jail. He knowingly committed an act that has placed every American, serviceperson or civilian, in hazard in many places in the world. And he did it for purposes of personal aggrandizement, nothing more. Comes close to the definition of treason, seems to me.

    I agree, but you can't get past the right he had to do it, ya know?
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    Not all speech is protected. I'm not declaring that this particular statement of Jones's wasn't protected, because I'm not a lawyer. I'm just saying "free speech, rawr!" is not the ultimate game winner it sometimes is made out to be. Personally, I very much would like to see this kind of clear and deliberate provocation carry more accountability with it.

    If the government should not call him to account, then I hope that some enterprising tort-hound of a lawyer can make some kind of broke-ass case against him in civil court. I really do.

    The US Constitution guarantees that the government won't prevent assholes from running their stupid mouths. It says nothing about guaranteeing they'll never get hit with any blowback from the rest of the world. Those people who were murdered were innocent bystanders. Jones is not. They are dead because of him. He should be called to account.
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    He made a silly choice though, he knew what harm his actions would do and he has only himself to blame. I wonder how he'd react if someone burned his holy book. Stupid is as stupid does.

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    The thing is, as much as I can't stand this guy or what he did, he should be able to do something like burning the Koran without other people using it to legitimize murder.

    If someone decided to burn a Bible, or the Torah, or God forbid my KISSOLOGY, I can understand people getting angry, but not turning to murder. (Well, maybe if it were my KISSOLOGY.)

    So yes, the police have to protect him. Just like they would have to protect a member of the KKK.

    Will I shed any tears if someone kills him? No.
    Will I be outraged if the government doesn't prosecute whoever does? Yes.

    He doesn't deserve to die for what he did. He does deserve to be shunned. And I think the families of those killed over it could and should sue.

    Does he have the right to do something like this? legally? Yes.
    But if it was reasonable that it could have caused this reaction, there may be a case there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Haskins View Post
    if personal attacks were allowed in this forum, i would posit that some of you have lost your goddamn minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CACTUSWENDY View Post
    This is just another one of those things that give Christians a bad rep.
    I would hope you are not implying it casts Muslims in a favorable light...
    Quote Originally Posted by muravyets View Post
    They are dead because of him. He should be called to account.
    This doesn't pass the extrapolation test. Simply replace a few words and you have me totally against you. For instance, homosexuals beheaded by religion-crazed Muslims are dead because they happened to be gay? They needed to be called to account? No, in both cases the people are dead because others have decided the Koran is such a magical book that even when printed on cheap paper with a tattered cover it is worth more than a human life.

     
    ETA: I do feel I have to say I consider Terry Jones an asshat of the highest magnitude, but he's not the only villain in this story.
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    Either he didn't know it would cause this much of a furor or he's no different than some of the Muslims he denigrates - willing to be a martyr for his cause of Christianity.

    He may have had the right to do it, but he should NOT have done it. In fact he was told directly by gov't officials not to do it and also by General Petraeus - and he did it anyway - and now innocent people are dead.

    However his reasons, he is an American citizen exercising his rights. While he did so with "intended malice" his actions caused the same outraged offense by the extremists, as the Danish cartoonist, or Salman Rushdie or the film maker who was killed. This is getting ridiculous - another country/religion cannot be allowed to dictate and infringe upon the freedoms and basic rights of world citizens. To allow them to do so means they've won - they've got the rest of the world adapting to how THEY live.

    This is completely wrong.
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    In my opinion this is the same as shouting fire in a crowded theater. He knew he could get someone hurt or killed.

    Then again, Simead O'Connor tore up a picture of the pope on TV. Its kinda the same thing

    I probably would have had a more sympathetic view before people were killed
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    my views on this issue can be expressed as follows:

    burning a koran is protected speech under the first amendment of the US constitution.

    terry jones is misguided religious fanatic.

    those who murdered, or otherwise harmed, anyone over this are misguided religious fanatics. oh, and murderers...

    jones' actions resulted in a pile of ashes.

    the protesters' resulted in a pile of severed heads.

    islam neither gets, nor deserves, any more protection under the constitution than any other person's superstition of choice.

    as an aside, some recent symbolic acts against the christian faith and the price in human life:

    'the holy virgin mary'

    description: one of the holiest symbols of the chrisitian church, adorned with pornographic images and elephant shit.

    venue: exhibited in taxpayer-funded brooklyn museum of art

    body count: zero
    'ants on jesus'

    description: ants treading on the crucified lamb o' god.

    backstory: a video exhibited at the tax-payer funded smithsonian until it is removed after protest.

    body count: zero
    'man in god's image'

    description: a exhibit including a bible which visitors are encouraged to deface; and a woman ripping pages from the bible and stuffing them into her panties.

    backstory: exhibited at the gallery of modern art in glasgow, scotland.

    body count
    : zero
    'piss christ'

    description: a crucified christ submerged in the artist's piss.

    backstory: partially subsidized by NEA grant; gave jesse helms the vapors.

    body count
    : zero
    'muslim boys piss on a bible'

    description: muslim boys. piss. bible. and, and ripping pages from bibles and burning them.

    backstory: at an islamic school in melbourne, australia.

    body count
    : zero
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    Terry Jones is a jackass. Hamid Karzai is a jackass.

    The Afghans who start killing other Muslims and innocent countrymen of theirs because of what the jackasses did are examples of the lowest levels of human brain power, rationality, common sense and decency.

    AKA Fucking insane.

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    He can do any petty, hateful things with any book he likes. He can hate Muslims. Those are his rights. And we have the right to think he is an enormous asshat.

    I'm one who agrees that the press are the ones who really screwed this up big time. Highlight the asshat? Give him a platform to stir up the whole friggin world over this? WTF?

    There is no good reason those Afghanis needed to see any footage of this bastard. He's nobody. And he was trying to stir shit up.

    Obviously the murderers are complete asshats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Allen View Post
    I don't know Rob, the police are investing a lot of resources and manpower to keep this guy safe.
    We were gonna invest a lot more to try Khalid in New York City. And we invest a ton keeping everyday scumbags safe, too (while they're awaiting trial and after they're sentenced).
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    Here's a question: does anyone know which news agencies picked of the story initially and which ones the mullahs in Afghanistan got their info from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by robeiae View Post
    Here's a question: does anyone know which news agencies picked of the story initially and which ones the mullahs in Afghanistan got their info from?
    Let's not forget our friend Karzai's help.
    But many U.S. and other Western officials in Afghanistan say Karzai has played a more damaging role. They say that his initial statement condemning Jones four days after the March 20 Koran burning was provocative and that it informed many Afghans of an event that was not widely known and helped mobilize public anger toward the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rugcat View Post
    Let's not forget our friend Karzai's help.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...YdC_story.html
    Absolutely, he's knee deep in this.

    But I'd still like to know who carried it. I follow the news and I didn't catch this until after the attacks in Afghanistan.
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