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    Chalet Publishers

    Recently discovered this publisher while browsing through novels in the genre i write:

    http://www.chaletpublishers.com/index.html



    And I saw this in their submission guidelines:

    Your manuscript must be edited by a qualified, professional editor. If you do not know of one, Chalet will have it edited for a fee.
    This would be a red flag, wouldn't it? Just curious.

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    An author doesn't pay the publisher for anything, including editing.

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    That's exactly what I was thinking.


    Btw, this is the book at Amazon, where i discovered Chalet. I wonder at the seeming success of this novel... but then, i could be jaded.
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    Looking at that page, I'm not seeing anything that leads me to believe the book is a success. And a great many of those 5-star reviews were written by people who only reviewed that book, or reviewed only a few other Chalet press books, even the same ones between different reviewers. Pretty odd.

    I'd run fast and far.

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    Madame Butterfly:
    I wonder at the seeming success of this novel... but then, i could be jaded.
    Sorry - what success? It's currently ranked #430,482 in Books, which means it's sold a few copies but not a huge number. If you mean success by reference to the 4 and 5 star reviews, that really doesn't mean anything (and I speak as a someone who reviews on Amazon). You don't know who wrote those reviews or for what reason.

    The only other thing I can find about it is that it was given an award by Foreword Magazine - but I'd want to know if that's because the publisher subbed it or the author (not least because there's a $75 entrance fee). I haven't come across Foreword Magazine before but it seems to charge for reviews, which is seldom a good sign.

    There are a number of things on the Chalet website that would put me off:

    Chalet Publishers Website:
    Genres We Accept
    • Fiction and non-fiction, but no novels with intense adult themes.
    • YA – young adult, but no picture books.
    • If your book is a romance, we ask that the love scenes be in good taste, nothing explicit.
    Publishers usually do best when they specialise in one or two genres. Chalet seems open to anything, which means that it's less likely to have built up good connections with the reading/buying community of any one genre and would therefore make me question to what extent they can market, promote and distribute effectively.

    Chalet Publishers Website:
    Your manuscript must be edited by a qualified, professional editor. If you do not know of one, Chalet will have it edited for a fee.
    Publishers should be editing as a matter of course and not charging for it. The fact that Chalet don't seem interested in doing so suggests that they're not interested in inputting on the product they're putting out and/or don't have the inhouse capability. Neither of these are a good sign.

    I'm not encouraged by the information provided on the people behind Chalet Publishing either:

    Chalet Publishers Website:
    Joyce Norman has been a writer for over thirty years and has written and published three books: Personal Assignment, Above All Else, the story of H.L. Hunt’s daughter, and Come And See, the story of a blind concert pianist. Formerly a journalist, Joyce has traveled extensively in the Middle East, reporting from many of the hot spots in that region. She has just completed her debut novel, Coming Together, with Joy Collins and has begun work on a her second novel.
    There's no information here suggesting that Joyce has any experience either in the commercial publishing industry or of running her own business.

    According to Amazon.com Personal Assignment was published in 1973 by Fleming H. Revell (which seems to be an established Christian publisher).

    Above All Else does not seem to have a listing on Amazon.com and neither does Come and See.

    Coming Together is published by Chalet Publishers.

    Chalet Publishers Website:
    Joy Collins knew she wanted to be a writer as soon as she learned what a book was. She has written non-fiction articles that have been published online and in print magazines. She has been trained as a nurse and had her own health care column and newsletter at one time. Now she devotes her time primarily to fiction and publishing. Her debut novel Second Chance has received great reviews. Her second novel co-written with Joyce Norman has just been published and she is working on her third novel. To learn more about Joy visit her web site www.joycollins.com
    Again, nothing here to suggest that Joy Collins has any experience of working in commercial publishing or running a business.

    Second Chance was published by Desert Spirit Press, which appears to run through Smashwords and is either owned or run by Joy Collins.

    It doesn't seem to have been running for long, so my advice would be to give it the standard 2 years and see how author experiences have been then.

    MM

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    Chalet Publishers Website:
    Genres We Accept

    * Fiction and non-fiction, but no novels with intense adult themes.
    * YA – young adult, but no picture books.
    * If your book is a romance, we ask that the love scenes be in good taste, nothing explicit.
    This suggests that they don't know much of anything about children's books. There's no such thing as a YA picture book; YA books with pictures in them are called 'graphic novels'.

    Or maybe they're simply trying to distinguish between YA and children's books and don't know that there are several levels of children's books in between 'picture books' and 'YA'.

    In either case, it's another sign that they don't have much experience on the publishing side of the industry. Being a vendor (such as writer) doesn't automatically mean you know the manufacturing side (such as publishing) of any kind of business.
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    Seems like they are banking on the fact that writers submitting to them don't have a lot of experience as well...
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    Re "success," as shown on the Amazon.com page - well, I wasn't too sure if my reasoning/perception was correct, like I said, I could be jaded. But thank you for enlightening me on this, I'm less naive now.

    I have seen some books which are so poorly written and yet have all 5-star reviews, and I've really been puzzled by this....


    But not to worry, I have not submitted anything to them. Fortunately, what I did know was that publishers/agents should never charge authors fees for anything. When I saw that statement on the submission page re an editing fee, I was immediately wary. Then i thought i'd bring it up here, verify with the experts, since I haven't found an AW thread on Chalet...

    All right. Thanks everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madame Butterfly View Post
    I have seen some books which are so poorly written and yet have all 5-star reviews, and I've really been puzzled by this....
    No mystery there. The rviews were probably written by friends and family. Some outfits also encourage their authors to give 5-star reviews to other authors in the outfit...'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.'
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    Ah, I see. OK. That never occurred to me. Well, more proof then that people shouldn't believe everything they read huh?

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    There was a scandal a couple of years ago when it turned out not only were a group of authors giving each other 5* reviews, but they were also marking as spam any less-than-100%-positive reviews until Amazon deleted them. Wish I could remember enough to google it and link you!

    Personally, I almost never trust something that has only 5* reviews, unless I have good reason to. The system is just far too easy to game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkkingston View Post
    There was a scandal a couple of years ago when it turned out not only were a group of authors giving each other 5* reviews, but they were also marking as spam any less-than-100%-positive reviews until Amazon deleted them. Wish I could remember enough to google it and link you!
    Was that Highland Press?

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    That was the one! I knew I'd read about it on DearAuthor, but I couldn't find it last time I looked.

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    Oh my. That sounds really dodgy.

    Now that you mention it, I remember hearing in the past about some authors' "fan clubs" who would immediately blast anyone who wrote a negative review. Apparently, they (the fan base) would give negative votes, or leave vicious comments in the review. It's really sick how that works, especially when the book is so horribly written - lack of plot and character depth, inconsistencies, and just plain bad writing. It's not fair.

    I have to commend those reviewers who are not afraid to give 1-star or 2-star reviews. It shows they have minds of their own, they are not merely sheep who go along with everyone else.

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    Just to point out there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Chalet Publishers encourages or requires its authors to give positive reviews to each other on Amazon.

    I'd like to make that point because it sounds as if people are getting v. off track here.

    MM

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    Heh. The submission page now reads:

    Editing

    * Your manuscript must be thoroughly edited before submission. Always send your best work. Your book will be rejected if it is poorly written.
    At least they're responsive.
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    Interesting. I wonder if the editing fee still stands though.......

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    They've closed.
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    More specifically:
    Chalet Publishers has closed its virtual doors.
    All of our titles will soon be available from other distributors.
    We thank you for your patronage over the last three years.
    This could be interpreted that they're simply closing their storefront, although -- going by Amazon -- their last book was published Aug '11.

    I'm guessing the "other distributors" will be Collins' Desert Spirit Press/Coyote Moon Books.
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    If this publisher is closing its doors then it must have issued some horrible contracts if the books are now going to be available from those "other distributors".

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    Sorry to jump on an old thread, I just saw the bit about Foreword magazine charging for reviews. Is that new, I wonder? I ask because it reviewed one of mine and my husband's book a few years ago and there was no fee, just a copy of the book, as expected. And it was a digital copy, so no postage either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eriador117 View Post
    Sorry to jump on an old thread, I just saw the bit about Foreword magazine charging for reviews. Is that new, I wonder? I ask because it reviewed one of mine and my husband's book a few years ago and there was no fee, just a copy of the book, as expected. And it was a digital copy, so no postage either
    Like Kirkus (with its Indie program, I believe) ForeWord has also been offering a pay service for online reviews:

    https://www.forewordreviews.com/services/book-reviews/

    I believe the magazine contains only the traditional free reviews. I'm kinda psyched to have my The Turtle-Girl from East Pukapuka reviewed in this Fall's issue, which is being distributed at Frankfurt. I believe it cost my pub two copies and a few minutes of paperwork.
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