-- UK is a selfish hedonistic wasteland, says Senior Catholic

Is this the same archbishop who believes the UK needs to incorporate Sharia Law into their legal system?



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Wait -- the article doesn't say that the Archbishop himself uttered these words, only one of his advisors.

Hasn't the Catholic church disliked Britain for like hundreds of years? You know, the whole protestant revolution and all that. So this guy is probably saying the same stuff that his ancestors have.

I really can't think of anything else to say than that.

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I can. "hedonistic wasteland"? Where do I sign up?

Williebee said:

"hedonistic wasteland"? Where do I sign up?

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...I like you.

I don't really have much to say beyond that. Religion is always a touchy subject to bring up, but to say the UK is, "the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death," is a bit much to me.

"hedonistic wasteland?"

With cameras on every corner, plastic beer mugs, blokes who come round and check your bins to be sure you sorted your trash properly, and jail time for those screaming too enthusiastically while being rogered? Not by my definition.

Maxinquaye said:

Why should it be touchy if he actually said that? Unless his words are perceived to be some anti-catholic plot.

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Point taken.

And you are right. How you can say gay rights and abortion is so wrong when your comrades are being persecuted is beyond me.

but to say the UK is, "the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death," is a bit much to me.

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Hmm, he's a good member of the Holy Father's church. Send his butt to Mexico to do some outreach work. He might just rethink his position.

We have a town in the USA where they will feel right at home:
Westboro.

Wow, googling that brings up THAT website with THAT url as the very first hit...

Maxinquaye said:

No, that was the Archbishop of Canterbury, the head of the Anglican church. This is a Catholic.

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Not. The Anglican Church is not Roman Catholic. It is the Church of England, established by Henry VIII when he split from the Papacy over the issue of his desire to divorce. The Archbishop of Canterbury is its titular head, essentially the Anglican Pope.

Not that it makes much difference to the philosophy involved.

blacbird said:

Not. The Anglican Church is not Roman Catholic. It is the Church of England, established by Henry VIII when he split from the Papacy over the issue of his desire to divorce. The Archbishop of Canterbury is its titular head, essentially the Anglican Pope.

Not that it makes much difference to the philosophy involved.

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Max was replying to PD. The chap talking about Sharia law was the Anglican, the chap this thread is about is the Catholic. Two people.

I say this country being anti-Catholic is a step in the right direction. Now, if we can just be anti-Protestant, anti-Islam, anti-Judaism.....

(By which I mean, against the religions, not the practitioners.)

Well, speaking as an atheist from a English Catholic background, I'd have to say the UK does suffer from residual an anti-Catholicism which has precisely nothing to do with gay rights or abortion. It's been fading for roughly the last fifty years, thankfully, though it hasn't reached certain sectarian parts of the country.

The geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death is a great phrase, though to be honest it sounds more like Mordor than Ilkeston or Barnstaple. Selfish and hedonistic is about right, though probably not a wasteland (unless we're talking about Middlesbrough.)

Priene said:

Well, speaking as an atheist from a English Catholic background, I'd have to say the UK does suffer from residual an anti-Catholicism which has precisely nothing to do with gay rights or abortion. It's been fading for roughly the last fifty years, thankfully, though it hasn't reached certain sectarian parts of the country.

The geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death is a great phrase, though to be honest it sounds more like Mordor than Ilkeston or Barnstaple. Selfish and hedonistic is about right, though probably not a wasteland (unless we're talking about Middlesbrough.)

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he he. what about Luton?

Nothing new here, but unusual before the pope's visit. As for attitudes towrds Catholics - amongst the upper echelons there has always been a positive att towards Catholicism - derived pretty much from snobbery - ie, Catholic were the old religion, before 'Henry got Horny' sort of thing. Amongst the Cromwell-loving types, a very diff story (though not til way after his death). Course the amount of persecution laws from 1534 onwards made Catholicism pretty unfashionable...
Yet in current day UK, there is still a residue of respect for the Catholic thing for powerful individuals(Tony Blair, princess whatsherface, prince Charles' godson etc)

Awesome! I'm headed there next week!

Paul said:

Nothing new here, but unusual before the pope's visit. As for attitudes towrds Catholics - amongst the upper echelons there has always been a positive att towards Catholicism - derived pretty much from snobbery - ie, Catholic were the old religion, before 'Henry got Horny' sort of thing. Amongst the Cromwell-loving types, a very diff story (though not til way after his death). Course the amount of persecution laws from 1534 onwards made Catholicism pretty unfashionable...

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Ah well, there were always two types of Catholics. The descendents of the (I'm making a stab here) three or four aristocrats who didn't take Henry's shilling are one thing. The vast majority, though, were of Irish descent, clustered in Lancashire, Geordieland, parts of London and, most of all, the west of Scotland. Sectarianism lives on in some of those areas, and if Catholicism is no longer the threat it was once supposed to be, you suspect that's because there are now other, more visible, minorities to be feared and mistrusted.

Priene said:

that's because there are now other, more visible, minorities to be feared and mistrusted.

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You've gotta love progress!

Like I really care what they think.

A selfish hedonistic wasteland and we rather like it that way.
Better than a guilt-ridden theocracy any day of the week

waylander said:

A selfish hedonistic wasteland and we rather like it that way.
Better than a guilt-ridden theocracy any day of the week

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See, we found a way to do both across the pond. You guys should work on it.

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Ah well, there were always two types of Catholics. The descendents of the (I'm making a stab here) three or four aristocrats who didn't take Henry's shilling are one thing. The vast majority, though, were of Irish descent, clustered in Lancashire, Geordieland, parts of London and, most of all, the west of Scotland. Sectarianism lives on in some of those areas, and if Catholicism is no longer the threat it was once supposed to be, you suspect that's because there are now other, more visible, minorities to be feared and mistrusted.

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Ah yes. Irish and Catholic is an entirely different beastie...