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But not really. Or at least, the last time someone asked, ACTA wasn't allowing for the seizure and search of electronic devices at borders. That may have changed, we don't know (and we should).

I would have issues if they were only searching for only illegal porn, let alone all porn. When did porn even become illegal in Australia?
 

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But not really. Or at least, the last time someone asked, ACTA wasn't allowing for the seizure and search of electronic devices at borders. That may have changed, we don't know (and we should).

I would have issues if they were only searching for only illegal porn, let alone all porn. When did porn even become illegal in Australia?
Porn itself isn't illegal in Australia. All this started under the guise of stopping kiddie porn. However, the powers that be decided to attach a lot of other things (all of which are pretty subjective btw) that they deem too offensive for consenting adult to own or distribute. And of course whenever anyone challenges this, the powers that be jump back to the kiddie porn thing. So if you're against this, then you're for child pornagraphy.

Does furry count?

As a purely academic question.
Well, one of the things they look for is beastiality and I doubt the customs agents know or care about the difference between that and using anthro/humanoid animal characters.
 

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That would mean they'd have to watch all the porn on your computer to be sure.

I'm going to have to eat something before going through customs

Maybe bring a book
 

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For any Australians or others who might know, will there be any sort of legal challenge to this? I know that the Sex Party is demanding an enquiry, but I'm not sure what that means exactly. I assume it doesn't necessarily mean the policy will be challenged in court.

Is there any sort of Australian ACLU or other group that would fight this?

And secondly, how will they enforce this? Do they take your word for it if you answer no, or do they actually search your laptop no matter what?

And how do they search it? Is there some kind of technological device, or do they have to manually get on your laptop and hunt for stuff?
 

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I would download the filthiest, dirtiest porn that fit within the law and make them watch it. If you do clips they have to watch the whole thing.

Do I get to be there while they do?
 
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Porn itself isn't illegal in Australia. All this started under the guise of stopping kiddie porn. However, the powers that be decided to attach a lot of other things (all of which are pretty subjective btw) that they deem too offensive for consenting adult to own or distribute.

I'm kind of confused by this. So porn itself isn't illegal. But they've added on other things besides child porn to the list of what they consider too offensive to own or distribute. You mean these things are also illegal? What exactly are these things?

Also, I don't understand why they're asking if you have porn, if porn is legal. Are they thinking that if you confess to having legal porn, you're more likely to have illegal stuff as well?

It seems to me that if you have something illegal, you'd be more likely to answer "no" when they ask if you have anything.
 
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Well, it must get boring for Australian customs officials. Normally they're only searching for foodstuffs and seeds. ;)
 

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This is a stupid, offensive, expensive and ineffective measure that will harm many innocents and yet again make Australia's censorship laws the laughing-stock of the developed world. I doubt that it will catch a single producer or seller of child pornography. By contrast, please see the work undertaken by the Grey Man charity. I wish that even a tenth of the money that will be spent on implementing this inane measure were directed to those guys.

A TV feature on this organisation can be found on Youtube here.
 
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Okay, where to start. The curiosities of censorship in Australia are something of an interest of mine, so I could write a book here.

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-en...ustralia-to-search-travelers-laptops-for-porn

That's right. If you travel to Australia, they have the right to search through your laptop's memory, as well as other electronic devices, to see if your carrying illegal types of porn.

First of all, I'm not sure if customs will actually be demanding people's laptops. The sheer scale of the task, coupled with the shitstorm sure to arise should someone's commercial-in-confidence or classified files be nicked by customs, makes me dubious. We know that people are now being informed they should declare pornography on entering Oz, But I've heard no reports of any laptop searches or seizures. I do like the Sex Party (along with the Pirate party they're the only political force in this country with any actual morals, how about that?) and will be voting for them, but it's not time to panic about this just yet.

Pornography is legal in Australia, but some fetishes aren't. Australia's is probably the only legal code in the world to contain the words 'golden showers', 'spanking' and 'fisting', making me sad I missed hearing the reading of the original bill in parliament. :D
Fetishes such as body piercing, application of substances such as candle wax, ‘golden showers’, bondage, spanking or fisting are not permitted.
Those are the only fetishes specifically mentioned, but like a lot of laws it's vague enough (what the fuck does "such as" mean in a legal context?) to be interpreted any which way. So really, whether you get your furry grandma foot fetish porn through customs is up to the subjective interpretations of the customs official.

Don't ask me what Australia has against fetishes. All I can tell you is that for all its supposed laid-back charm, it's a pretty uptight place when it comes to non-conforming weirdness. CF absurd and arbitrary videogame censorship, crazy internet filtering plans, and a blanket ban on female ejaculation in porn. Read up on the history of censorship in Australia, it's an illuminating and sometimes bizarre story.

Porn itself isn't illegal in Australia. All this started under the guise of stopping kiddie porn. However, the powers that be decided to attach a lot of other things (all of which are pretty subjective btw) that they deem too offensive for consenting adult to own or distribute. And of course whenever anyone challenges this, the powers that be jump back to the kiddie porn thing. So if you're against this, then you're for child pornagraphy.

Pretty much. Despite two years of reasoned objection from every section of informed society, our goobermint is plowing ahead with their godforsaken internet filter, hurling insinuations of child molestation at any and all critics. And that section of our society that can politely be called 'less informed' laps it up.

For any Australians or others who might know, will there be any sort of legal challenge to this? I know that the Sex Party is demanding an enquiry, but I'm not sure what that means exactly. I assume it doesn't necessarily mean the policy will be challenged in court.

Is there any sort of Australian ACLU or other group that would fight this?
As well as the Sex Party we've got the EFA (Electronic Frontiers Australia), and offshoot of the EFF that has consistently lobbied against our censorship laws, and some other parties are also opposed to censorship in principle: the Greens are the only ones with any electoral clout, but there's also the Pirate Party and the Liberal Democrats (basically equivalent to libertarians).

But the big impediment to fighting this shit is our total lack of a bill or charter of civil liberties. Yes, Australia is the only Western democracy to lack any legislative assurance of rights. Any rights we do have are held at the pleasure of parliament. This country's single biggest flaw, IMO.

I'm kind of confused by this. So porn itself isn't illegal. But they've added on other things besides child porn to the list of what they consider too offensive to own or distribute. You mean these things are also illegal? What exactly are these things?

Also, I don't understand why they're asking if you have porn, if porn is legal. Are they thinking that if you confess to having legal porn, you're more likely to have illegal stuff as well?

It seems to me that if you have something illegal, you'd be more likely to answer "no" when they ask if you have anything.

Yeah, I sure won't be ticking that box, I tell you. Anything they DO find on my HD I'll flat out deny it's pornographic, hence if they want to prosecute that's tantamount to declaring THEY find it sexy. :D
 

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But the big impediment to fighting this shit is our total lack of a bill or charter of civil liberties. Yes, Australia is the only Western democracy to lack any legislative assurance of rights. Any rights we do have are held at the pleasure of parliament. This country's single biggest flaw, IMO.

I don't know, man. The U.S. has a Bill of Rights that's supposed to protect against unreasonable searches and seizures, but I wouldn't say it actually does that in practice.

We do have irony, though. For example, in Philadelphia, you have to go through a bag search and metal detectors before you can visit the Liberty Bell.

In any case, I feel bad that you guys have to deal with this stuff, but I'm really glad to see there's some opposition to it. Best of luck in fighting for civil liberties.
 

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yes, in all seriousness, I agree with Michael...best of luck in fighting this. in the US, our ACLU gets a bad wrap a lot of the time for the work they do and while I don't agree with "how" they handle things sometimes, it's nice to not only have a set of rights in place, but to have an organization who fights to ensure that the rights are protected.

Good luck!
 

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in the US, our ACLU gets a bad wrap a lot of the time for the work they do and while I don't agree with "how" they handle things sometimes, it's nice to not only have a set of rights in place, but to have an organization who fights to ensure that the rights are protected.

Yes, and it's not only nice, but actually essential to have people who believe in civil liberties. If you only have a piece of paper, but no one who gives a shit about it, then it's pretty much useless.
 

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Porn itself isn't illegal in Australia. All this started under the guise of stopping kiddie porn. However, the powers that be decided to attach a lot of other things (all of which are pretty subjective btw) that they deem too offensive for consenting adult to own or distribute. And of course whenever anyone challenges this, the powers that be jump back to the kiddie porn thing. So if you're against this, then you're for child pornagraphy.
We're sooooo lucky that the slippery slope is simply a misused literary trope and a logical fallacy. Otherwise it might actually happen in real life.








:rolleyes:


I think it's time we stopped accepting "slippery slope" as a counter-argument. It's been proven time and again to be valid.
 

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I don't know, man. The U.S. has a Bill of Rights that's supposed to protect against unreasonable searches and seizures, but I wouldn't say it actually does that in practice.

We do have irony, though. For example, in Philadelphia, you have to go through a bag search and metal detectors before you can visit the Liberty Bell.

In any case, I feel bad that you guys have to deal with this stuff, but I'm really glad to see there's some opposition to it. Best of luck in fighting for civil liberties.

Even so better to have one than none, I feel. Thanks for the support. Though each year I come closer to abandoning ship for the more sensible shores of New Zealand, it's good to hope that this nation won't get sucked into the black hole of its own apathy while there are still people who care about it.
 

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You know, Australia's always being pushed over here as a utopia of sunshine with a great standard of living and everybody's happy and nothing ever goes wrong. I wish the TV programmes constantly plugging it as an idyll would cover stuff like this. I'm not saying Australia is actually a dark pit of despair by any means, but I'd like there to be a bit more balance beyond "Oooh, look at the great weather and beaches!". It isn't as perfect as it's made out to be, simply because nowhere COULD be that perfect.
 

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Porn itself isn't illegal in Australia. All this started under the guise of stopping kiddie porn. However, the powers that be decided to attach a lot of other things (all of which are pretty subjective btw) that they deem too offensive for consenting adult to own or distribute. And of course whenever anyone challenges this, the powers that be jump back to the kiddie porn thing. So if you're against this, then you're for child pornagraphy.

From what I read in the article, they can ask you if you're carrying porn, and you have to tell them the truth. I didn't really see anything about them making legal porn illegal.
 

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I woukd note that most other countries have the right to search hard-drives and stop material illegal in that country. A few cases have occuring around the world, not just in Aus.
 

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Thanks, veinglory. The complete lack of mention that the US has these same powers at Customs, and has been routinely using them of late was starting to become a little alarming.
 

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This is so strange that I wonder if it's some contrived measure to seize laptops from suspected terrorists.
 
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