Elegance in alternate history

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lachlan

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Maybe 'elegance' isn't the right word. Maybe it's 'economy'. Or 'scope'. Either way, I find that I am more impressed by an alternate history that doesn't use a big battle as its point of change (double points if it doesn't use anything that happened during the Civil War or World War II -- I am sick to death of both types of AH stories), in favour of a smaller or more discrete difference.

Example of economy: although not technically an alternate history (more of an alternate society), Wen Spencer's A Brother's Price envisions a different set of gender roles resulting from an increase in male infant mortality (or possibly fewer successful impregnations that result in males...Spencer is a bit vague here). It's an 'economical' change because it's a tweak to something that's already known -- that male infants have a lower survivability than female (we get more males than females only when prenatal care is good) -- which completely changes the society in believable ways (to oversimplify Spencer....if there's only one man for every 10 to 12 women, there's no way in heck that the women are going to let that man out of the house, and certainly are not going to let him fight, or carry a weapon).

What else can we change in an 'economical' fashion? More (but still sporadic) European contact with North America? Earlier discovery of penicillin (or, conversely, much later)? The 1949 Newfoundland referendum goes the other way?
 

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Well, gee...

Colonization of North America by the Chinese (or Japanese) pre-1500s,

Unification of the Mayan or Aztec empires (rather than constant inter-city warfare) so the Conquistadors actually encountered a culture sophisticated enough to engage them,

Success of Tenskwatawa and victory by Native Americans at the Battle of Fallen Timbers so that the Indian Confederation held Ohio against the United States.

Ascendancy of the Egyptian culture and religion over the Mediterranean before the rise of the Roman or Greek Empires

Ascendancy of the Songhai empire to rule over all of Africa and to extend its influence and culture through Egypt and the rest of the Mediterranean,

Origination of Mankind in China, South America, North America, Europe, or Russia rather than Africa,

...the list goes on...
 

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Any smaller ones? :) Hmm. I'm thinking about alternate science, I realize, when I'm thinking of penicillin. Howzabout proper sewage? The Romans knew, then everyone forgot, but the technology is simple (albeit labor-intensive) to implement years or even centuries before (or after) Joseph Bazalgette was commissioned to save London's ass.

So to speak. :)
 

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Jonas Salk having never existed. Polio for another couple of decades.

How about famous documents being destroyed. What if the Bible had been lost at some point in time? Or the Arabs hadn't preserved the works of Europeans during the Dark Ages?
 

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You might want to check out the Paratime stories of H. Beam Piper. Some of them are even online at the Gutenberg Project.
 

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H. Beam Piper is in Gutenberg??? Suddenly I feel very old...

:)
 

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JFK survives his assassination? The first person in space was actually American instead of Russian? Gore wins the 2000 election?
 

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What if another major religion had prevailed instead of Christianity?

What if Antartica had never drifted south?
 

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What if the Vikings had decided to properly colonize North America, so that when Columbus wandered over, he didn't just have the Native Americans to deal with.

Actually, hmm...

*wanders off to think*
 

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What if the Greeks had supported Aristarchus rather than Plato, leading to a scientific revolution rather than the Dark Ages, kicking us 500 years forward, easily.

I'm totally stealing that from Carl Sagan's Cosmos

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I'm sure I've read some of these already - can't think where / by who though


What if....

Harold had shot William through the eye

Elizabeth the First put through a law saying only female children to be rulers

America had lost the War of Independence

What if Ethelred had been ready? Well okay, better advised.
 

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What if Henry VIII's son by Catherine of Aragorn hadn't died after 52 days
 

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What if Henry VIII's son by Catherine of Aragorn hadn't died after 52 days


History lessons would have been way easier

Divorced, beheaded, died. Divorced, beheaded, died. Married.

He might have been slightly less pissed at the church too :D
 

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What if Genghis Khan (and/or his successors) had successfully annexed all of Europe?

or

Rome had never fallen to the Visigoths

or

Japan successfully conquered Korea, Vietnam, and parts of China

or

The 5 Nations whupped the colonists/ Americans' collective arse and were recognized as their own country (and the Americans actually upheld the treaties)
 

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What if the US government had funded NASA to the extent that they were actually able to establish a lunar colony by 1975 and land men on Mars by 1982?

What if Einstein had discovered that there was no speed of light barrier?

What if the Mongols had not stopped their harassment of Hungary and eastern Europe after the death of Subatai Khan?

What if the Ottoman Empire hadn't been stopped at the Gates of Vienna?

What if Robert E. Lee had won at Gettysburg? What if George Meade had been elected President in 1864?

What if George A. Custer had won at the Little Big Horn? What if he'd been elected President?

What if Atlantis had been real and had not been destroyed as described by Plato?

What if the Minoan culture had not been destroyed by the eruption of Thera in pre-1600 BC?
 

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You do realize, these are all going in my idea file, don't you? ;)
 

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Yeah, but if you and I picked the same scenario to write about, you do know that the two stories that came out would be just ridiculously different, right? :tongue

Precisamally

What if Remus founded Reme rather than Romulus founding Rome.
 
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