The AW Amazon Store
Buy Books by AWers!

 

Welcome to the AbsoluteWrite Water Cooler! Please read The Newbie Guide To Absolute Write

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 30

Thread: Bronte Prize / The Literary Arts Guild (Tally Dawson)

  1. #1
    New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    34

    Bronte Prize / The Literary Arts Guild (Tally Dawson)

    I received this email yesterday and since I've seen how helpful everyone's been here, I thought I would ask about this. I'm usually an optimist but this just seemed a tad fishy to me.

    Thanks!
    Arianna

    Arianna

    I think you would be a worthy nomination in the Romance Novel and/or Erotic Fiction category for this year's Bronte Prize. You can learn more about the award and process at: http:/ /bronteprize.org/enter2010.html. You'll also gain instant marketing "oomph" by doing so, as you can market yourself as "A 2010 Bronte Prize Nominee." (It’s a "blind" entry process, as readers have no idea how the nominations are collected.)

    We hope to see you entered.

    Best wishes

    Mikki Cassel
    Vice Chairperson
    Bronte Prize Committee
    mikki@bronteprize.org
    bronteprize.org
    Last edited by CaoPaux; 06-22-2012 at 07:32 AM. Reason: breaking links

  2. #2
    Absolutely Fazed
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Fort Worth, Texas
    Posts
    2,536
    Quote Originally Posted by website
    Entry fee is $97 per title.
    That's rather...high (and a weird amount. What are they, Walmart?)

    You'll also gain instant marketing "oomph" by doing so, as you can market yourself as "A 2010 Bronte Prize Nominee."
    Since anyone with a credit card can enter, that means about as much as being published by PA.

    Other than that, I got nothin'. I couldn't find anything online about the Literary Arts Guild and Tally Dawson except this prize's sites.

  3. #3
    Ooo! Shiny new cover! Absolute Sage Cathy C's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Hiding in my writing cave
    Posts
    9,909
    Ouch! A hundred buck entry fee? I noticed it said the prize had a "four year history." I did a Whois search on the domain and found it originates out of Vancouver, BC through a Registrant service called WhoIsProtector, Inc. Don't know if that helps any, but I'd be a little leery, personally.
    Want FREE reads? Click here!

    Smiles!
    Cathy Clamp
    USA Today bestselling author
    ILLICIT, coming 7/16!
    My Website
    Follow me: Twitter
    Now on Facebook! Come friend me!



    "An entertaining (and occasionally very dark) mystery." -- Locus

    "[Shapeshifter] fans are about to hit the jackpot as Clamp returns to re-energize this amazing series. Searching for layered plotlines and complex characters? Look no further, as Clamp truly delivers!" -- RT BookReviews

    "Cathy Clamp is a visionary author, creating new worlds that are both strong and vividly drawn. Adventure and excitement at its best." -- Yasmine Galenorn, New York Times Bestselling Author

    "A struggling community under attack, compelling action, characters struggling with dark secrets ... FORBIDDEN hit all my favorite notes, and I love the rich world of the Sazi!" - Rachel Caine, New York Times Bestselling Author

  4. #4
    New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    34
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyAccurate View Post
    That's rather...high (and a weird amount. What are they, Walmart?)



    Since anyone with a credit card can enter, that means about as much as being published by PA.

    Other than that, I got nothin'. I couldn't find anything online about the Literary Arts Guild and Tally Dawson except this prize's sites.
    Yeah, That's why I asked here. I thought the $97 fee an odd amount as well. I don't think it costs that much to enter the RWA RITA contest, which in my eyes is the foremost prize in Romantic Fiction. THe RITA's have been around forever, and this Bronte Prize has only been around 4 years.

  5. #5
    New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    34
    Quote Originally Posted by Cathy C View Post
    Ouch! A hundred buck entry fee? I noticed it said the prize had a "four year history." I did a Whois search on the domain and found it originates out of Vancouver, BC through a Registrant service called WhoIsProtector, Inc. Don't know if that helps any, but I'd be a little leery, personally.
    *waves* HI Cathy!!! Thanks for the input! At least I'm not the only one who feels it's a little shady :-)

  6. #6
    Writer Beware's Faithful Igor Richard White's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Central Maryland
    Posts
    2,078
    Let me see here . . .

    Someone associated with the prize has approached you to self-nominate yourself (and pay a fee), so you could state on your book (I'm assuming your publisher would go along with this?) that you were a 2010 Bronte Prize Nominee (not even a finalist or a winner).

    Nah, I can't see anythind dodgy about that.
    Last edited by Richard White; 03-24-2010 at 07:43 PM. Reason: went back and read the OP a little closer. *duh*

  7. #7
    Mostly Harmless SuperModerator CaoPaux's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Coastal Desert
    Posts
    13,024
    Interesting that all winners are self-published.

    Anyone find any evidence of Tally Dawson and/or "The Literary Arts Guild" outside of the website? There's a LAG that runs the Sonoma County Book Festival, but that's a registered California charity.
    ICAO
    ---------
    Achievers strive for excellence. Perfectionists drive themselves to extinction. -- A Grapple A Day
    I've never known any trouble that an hour's reading didn't assuage. -- Charles DeSecondat

    II 2016: 2017:

  8. #8
    Tired and Disillusioned Momento Mori's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Here and there
    Posts
    3,301
    Arianna, it's not normal for a competition to solicit entries by emailing prospective entrants. So the fact that someone is emailing you to tell you about their competition is the first warning sign.

    The awards worth having are those that are generally known about in the industry or you'll have seen them advertised in books as having won X or Y award. Personally, I've never heard of these before but I'm not big on romance so if one of the romance writers here can comment, I'd appreciate it.

    Weirdly, some of the previous shortlisted books for the award seem to have come from decent publishers (in the sense that they got national reviews) and are recognised authors (e.g. Nora Roberts) but some seem to be self-published.

    Bronte Award Website:
    The 2010 Bronte Prize, for the first time in its four-year history, opens up its award process from closed nomination (2007-2009) to a Pay-to-Enter award format.
    The fact that it's switching from closed nominations to pay-to-enter is not an encouraging sign and I'd question why they're making that move and whether it's purely to try and make cash.

    Bronte Award Website:
    Stories can be any length. (Novel, novella, novelette, short story, flash fiction, etc.)
    Another warning sign. Previously this competition was only open to novels. The fact that the entry fee is a flat $97 would suggest to me that this is being used as a cash cow.

    There's no information on the prize for winning and there's no information on who's judging the competition. I'd definitely want to know what I'm getting for my $97.

    Bronte Award Website:
    Registration closes April 17, 2010.

    The Bronte Prize committe will announce all three of its Short Lists on May 17. 2010. Finalists for all three categories will be announced May 31, 2010. And the Bonte Prize Winners will be announced June 14, 2010.
    That's a really tight time frame which again, does not inspire confidence.

    Bronte Award Website:
    And once entered, you can market YOUR book as "A Bronte Prize Nominee"!!
    That has precisely no marketing merit at all because anyone can pay to enter this competition. There may be some merit to being on the shortlist or being a winner, but there's no gain to be had from paying someone to enter this because there's no real criteria for entry apart from your credit card.

    Conclusion: avoid.

    MM

  9. #9
    New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    34
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard White View Post
    Let me see here . . .

    Someone associated with the prize has approached you to self-nominate yourself (and pay a fee), so you could state on your book (I'm assuming your publisher would go along with this?) that you were a 2010 Bronte Prize Nominee (not even a finalist or a winner).

    Nah, I can't see anythind dodgy about that.
    LOL! You are too funny :-)

  10. #10
    New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    34
    Quote Originally Posted by Momento Mori View Post
    Arianna, it's not normal for a competition to solicit entries by emailing prospective entrants. So the fact that someone is emailing you to tell you about their competition is the first warning sign.

    The awards worth having are those that are generally known about in the industry or you'll have seen them advertised in books as having won X or Y award. Personally, I've never heard of these before but I'm not big on romance so if one of the romance writers here can comment, I'd appreciate it.

    Weirdly, some of the previous shortlisted books for the award seem to have come from decent publishers (in the sense that they got national reviews) and are recognised authors (e.g. Nora Roberts) but some seem to be self-published.



    The fact that it's switching from closed nominations to pay-to-enter is not an encouraging sign and I'd question why they're making that move and whether it's purely to try and make cash.



    Another warning sign. Previously this competition was only open to novels. The fact that the entry fee is a flat $97 would suggest to me that this is being used as a cash cow.

    There's no information on the prize for winning and there's no information on who's judging the competition. I'd definitely want to know what I'm getting for my $97.



    That's a really tight time frame which again, does not inspire confidence.



    That has precisely no marketing merit at all because anyone can pay to enter this competition. There may be some merit to being on the shortlist or being a winner, but there's no gain to be had from paying someone to enter this because there's no real criteria for entry apart from your credit card.

    Conclusion: avoid.

    MM
    I thought so too... That's why I came here. But it seems like they are now just trying to use this award to take money from unsuspecting authors. I've already won contests with this manuscript. I don't need to pay $100 bucks to further stroke my ego. LOL.

  11. #11
    Writer Beware's Faithful Igor Richard White's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Central Maryland
    Posts
    2,078
    Quote Originally Posted by CaoPaux View Post
    Interesting that all winners are self-published.

    Anyone find any evidence of Tally Dawson and/or "The Literary Arts Guild" outside of the website? There's a LAG that runs the Sonoma County Book Festival, but that's a registered California charity.

    The only LAG I'm familiar with (besides my computer's refresh rate *grin*) is the Literary Agency Group (aka Bouncing Bobby Fletcher).

    *pause*

    Nah . . . .

    *pause*


  12. #12
    New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    34
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard White View Post
    The only LAG I'm familiar with (besides my computer's refresh rate *grin*) is the Literary Agency Group (aka Bouncing Bobby Fletcher).

    *pause*

    Nah . . . .

    *pause*

    OHHH.... Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting!

  13. #13
    Writer Beware's Faithful Igor Richard White's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Central Maryland
    Posts
    2,078
    Oh, I'm sure it's just an unhappy coincidence.

    Questionable practices in the publishing industry are not just the provance of those the Florida Attorney General is investigating. There are others, to include in my own back yard (metaphorically speaking . . . unless they've hidden their printing press out behind the trees in back), who also have given us reason to look askance at their business practices.

    (And yes, I am in a snarky mood today).

  14. #14
    Domestic extremist darkprincealain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Nowhere. Now here.
    Posts
    2,649
    Beyond what everyone else has already mentioned, and because I'm feeling snarky:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronte Award website
    Registration closes April 17, 2010.

    The Bronte Prize committe will announce all three of its Short Lists on May 17. 2010. Finalists for all three categories will be announced May 31, 2010. And the Bonte Prize Winners will be announced June 14, 2010.
    My bold. R we missing a letter, here? That does little to inspire confidence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Introversion
    All true. But U.S. debates (and elections) are being judged by average people who are often seriously misinformed on important issues, and that vote for people they'd "like to have a beer with". The mainstream media is happy if the circus entertains, and so it goes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shannon L. Alder
    Often people that criticize your life are usually the same people that don't know the price you paid to get where you are today.

  15. #15
    New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    34
    Quote Originally Posted by darkprincealain View Post
    Beyond what everyone else has already mentioned, and because I'm feeling snarky:


    Originally Posted by Bronte Award website
    Registration closes April 17, 2010.

    The Bronte Prize committe will announce all three of its Short Lists on May 17. 2010. Finalists for all three categories will be announced May 31, 2010. And the Bonte Prize Winners will be announced June 14, 2010.


    My bold. R we missing a letter, here? That does little to inspire confidence.
    LOL! Charlote Bonte is rolling in her grave, I bet. LOL.

    Rolling in laughter that is!
    Last edited by Arianna Skye; 03-24-2010 at 10:28 PM.

  16. #16
    Tired and Disillusioned Momento Mori's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Here and there
    Posts
    3,301
    So, putting my Google-fu to good use, I couldn't find anything on the web for Tally Dawson, who supposedly set up the Bronte Prize.

    However, a search on Mikki Cassel led me to this author, which s/he promoted here. One of the books listed under the awards page won the 2007 Bronte Award.

    The lack of information about either of the named individuals associated with this competition, is another red flag IMHO.

    MM

  17. #17
    New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    34
    Quote Originally Posted by bronteblog.blogspot.com
    The Bront Prize is named in honor of acclaimed nineteenth century English writer Charlotte Bront. Published in 1847 by London’s Smith, Elder & Company, her novel Jane Eyre is not only one of the most famous English novels ever written but also largely regarded as the first real and viable work of “romantic fiction.” (Not to be confused with “romance novels,” “romantica,” or “erotic fiction.”)

    With no such existing award, and a desperate need for recognition in North America’s #1 selling genre, Literary Arts Guild (LAG) chairwoman Tally Dawson conceived the Bront Prize in December of 2006. The esteemed accolade is designed to reward the best romantic fiction piece (love story) published in the U.S. and Canada during a designated fiscal year, April 1st through March 31st.

    Much like the Hugo/Nebula for science fiction or the Edgar for mystery novels, the Bront Prize rewards the finest literature in a particular genre (romantic fiction) each year for both its pop fiction appeal and literary fiction merit.
    The 2007 campaign marks the first year for romantic fiction's biggest and most distinguished award. Its $12,500 cash prize not only establishes it as the largest romantic fiction award, but also as the largest genre specific prize given in North America each year. The winning title is chosen (by a three-person jury) from more than 400 titles published during the designated fiscal year. The 2007 finalists are announced Friday, February 22nd.
    Apparently Tally Dawson lives under a rock. Isn't the RITA award given to books of romantic fiction? Sorry, but in my opinion, Romantic fiction includes romance novels.

  18. #18
    Shakespearean Fool DreamWeaver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,897
    Beyond the invitation to a bit of ethically questionable legerdemain to mislead readers, seen here:
    ...you can market yourself as "A 2010 Bronte Prize Nominee." (It's a "blind" entry process, as readers have no idea how the nominations are collected)
    it's pretty sad they couldn't be bothered to use the sisters' umlaut (I can see it not being in the URL, but I can't find it anywhere on their website at http:/ /bronteprize.org).

    That bronteblog.blogspot.com quoted by Arianna Skye is the only place I've seen them spell Bront properly, umlaut and all.



    ETA: Watch, pride goeth before a fall--my umlaut will come out as gobbledy-gook
    Last edited by CaoPaux; 06-22-2012 at 07:35 AM. Reason: breaking link
    Why doesn't George R. R. Martin use Twitter? He already killed off all 140 characters.

  19. #19
    Coffee Coffee Work Coffee AW Moderator amergina's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts
    14,605
    Much like the Hugo/Nebula for science fiction or the Edgar for mystery novels, the Bront Prize rewards the finest literature in a particular genre (romantic fiction) each year for both its pop fiction appeal and literary fiction merit.
    Except that the Hugo, the Nebula, and the Edgar don't have an entry fee.

  20. #20
    Shakespearean Fool DreamWeaver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,897
    It's weird: the 2007 winner can't be found on Amazon at all, the 2009 winner has an Amazon sales rank of over 2 million, but the 2008 winner is a very respectable book put out by Pocket Books, sales rank on Amazon in the 500s.

    Strange.

    Since they say this is the first year of paid entries, I'm wondering if the originators sold off the website & organization to someone who has decided it's time to milk the cash cow...
    Why doesn't George R. R. Martin use Twitter? He already killed off all 140 characters.

  21. #21
    New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    34
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    It's weird: the 2007 winner can't be found on Amazon at all, the 2009 winner has an Amazon sales rank of over 2 million, but the 2008 winner is a very respectable book put out by Pocket Books, sales rank on Amazon in the 500s.

    Strange.

    Since they say this is the first year of paid entries, I'm wondering if the originators sold off the website & organization to someone who has decided it's time to milk the cash cow...
    Since my kindle sales ranking is around 40,000 and that 2009 winner is ranked 248K, I say I don't need a Bronte Prize to "oomph" my sales. :-)

  22. #22
    Mostly Harmless SuperModerator CaoPaux's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Coastal Desert
    Posts
    13,024
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    It's weird: the 2007 winner can't be found on Amazon at all, the 2009 winner has an Amazon sales rank of over 2 million, but the 2008 winner is a very respectable book put out by Pocket Books, sales rank on Amazon in the 500s.
    Just a data point: The Pocket edition is a 2009 reprint of the 2007 original by iUniverse. (Cue chorus of "self-published author makes good!!!" Seriously, though, that's quite a coup for her.)
    ICAO
    ---------
    Achievers strive for excellence. Perfectionists drive themselves to extinction. -- A Grapple A Day
    I've never known any trouble that an hour's reading didn't assuage. -- Charles DeSecondat

    II 2016: 2017:

  23. #23
    Shakespearean Fool DreamWeaver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,897
    Quote Originally Posted by CaoPaux View Post
    Just a data point: The Pocket edition is a 2009 reprint of the 2007 original by iUniverse. (Cue chorus of "self-published author makes good!!!" Seriously, though, that's quite a coup for her.)
    Thanks, I was searching for that, but didn't get quite far enough back.


    ETA: Sales rank of the MM Pocket Books edition just went up to 511...that couldn't have been from us talking about it, could it?
    Last edited by DreamWeaver; 03-25-2010 at 12:37 AM.
    Why doesn't George R. R. Martin use Twitter? He already killed off all 140 characters.

  24. #24
    New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    34
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Thanks, I was searching for that, but didn't get quite far enough back.


    ETA: Sales rank of the MM Pocket Books edition just went up to 511...that couldn't have been from us talking about it, could it?
    I've noticed that those sales rankings tend to fluctuate. Yesterday Amazon had mine ranked at 73,000. Then I went back a few hours later and it was at 16,190. Then it went up to 35,000. Now it's at 45K. So who knows!

  25. #25
    Absolutely Fazed
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Fort Worth, Texas
    Posts
    2,536
    Quote Originally Posted by Momento Mori View Post
    Weirdly, some of the previous shortlisted books for the award seem to have come from decent publishers (in the sense that they got national reviews) and are recognised authors (e.g. Nora Roberts) but some seem to be self-published.
    Hmm... Maybe they're shortlisting books that were never officially entered. Something like this:


    The shortlisted nominees for the 2010 DeadlyAccurate Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence prize are:

    A book by Nora Roberts
    A book by James Patterson
    A book by Dan Brown
    A book by Stephenie Meyer
    A book by A Vanity-Published Author

    And the winner is A Vanity-Published Author! Congratulations!
    Makes the winner look much more prestigious when she's in the company of the big names. Doesn't matter if the other authors had no clue they were even entered into the contest.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Custom Search