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SPOILER ALERT: This is merely a reply to Ruv's public statement.
You can skip it and not lose anything about Morality. But it's addressing the issue Ruv brought INTO the thread.
And maybe it's enlightening on how non-theists (which also is in the title) and theists cause unintended friction?
I'll happily withdraw, out of an interest in friendly thread fellowship.
But I don't do so because I in any way accept (and I'm NOT suggesting you're accepting that or acting from it, either) the idea that mere exploration or extrapolation of a topic means anyone's gone "off-topic" or should be scolded for such, or for merely disagreeing ... however broad the consensus.
Someone mentioned once before how they're "treated" in the "religious" forums, as if that should decide how anyone is treated HERE. It shouldn't. If anyone is unwelcome elsewhere ... that doesn't mean I'm acting in any way deserving of unwelcoming HERE (when I would suppose folks here would agree we should treat people better, and with more openmindedness ... here)
Respectfully, I don't think it 'pre-supposes' anything of the sort.
I'm certainly NOT here beating a drum of THEISM.
All I've mentioned here is a possible approach on the spectrum of Morality of having "religion" being 'seen' as a source of Morality.
Not every "religion" needs to be "theistic" (perhaps some forms of Buddhism, for instance) ...
So, respectfully, PLEASE don't presume to scold someone for their sincere comments, and PLEASE don't over-use the whole Don't comment in my thread thing either.
I've started threads too, and folks came and took them off topic (imo) ... and I've NEVER asked anyone not to comment. NEVER.
You'll recall you've asked me before, and I did.
But that's my choice.
You're getting unnecessarily personal there.
And you're pretending to speak for others who can of course speak for themselves (if they're offended, but I gave NO OFFENSE)
Most sadly, when you CLAIM that I've been 'offensive' to folks here ... if I remain silent, then that FALSE CHARACTERIZATION stands undenied. So YOU'RE FORCING ME to reply now ... right?
(Really, let's all note that: When we want to cool down a heated thread, that's a thing to AVOID doing: don't FORCE someone to see things as being "offensive" or insulting ... when you cannot prove that was ever their intent!)
And I'm not being 'willfully ignorant' ... just because I think you're MISTAKEN in claiming I was 'off-topic' (and I already did you the courtesy, above, of explaining WHY I'm not off topic)
PLUS -----> You say this in your OWN thread, IN PUBLIC, where you KNOW I'll now have respond also in public? Why? We've had perfectly respectful and productive PRIVATE MESSAGES between us. Right?
Ruv ... c'mon, man ... I'm not derailing or off topic NOW either ... I'm just answering issues YOU needlessly brought into your own thread, in public.
'Ask' is technically polite enough ... even though bouncers at bars sometimes 'ask' patrons to leave by adding an extra ten meter hike at the door!
Fine. I offered my views, it was on topic, I have no reason to argue.
But still ... what's said in public threads gets answered in public threads.
*shrug*
Now, Ruv got to sling his 'willfully ignorant' barb ... so here's my own 'mind-reading' performance (Tickets on sale at the carny tent entance for two cents!)
If anyone hypothetically wants or needs to paint ME as "the unwelcome trolling Theist" ... that's just them building their own strawman to wail against and a crutch to lean on, imo.
And suggesting that "if" here shouldn't be 'offensive' to anyone here ... unless they decided themselves that the shoe fits.
Again: I've never asked anyone not to comment anymore in one of my threads. And you could've asked in a Private Message without inviting my response here.
... sow ... reap ... It's sort of how the cosmos works out, y'know? It never has to get personal.
That said ... sometimes I'm happy to withdraw without wanting to ruin everybody else's party!
Other times, somebody's moneychangers' table in the temple might get disturbed and decorum is sacrificed in the name of good discussion (but, admittedly, by someone better suited than myself) ...
I nod to Ruv's request ... The moving hand moves on, etc ...
You can skip it and not lose anything about Morality. But it's addressing the issue Ruv brought INTO the thread.
And maybe it's enlightening on how non-theists (which also is in the title) and theists cause unintended friction?
I'll happily withdraw, out of an interest in friendly thread fellowship.
But I don't do so because I in any way accept (and I'm NOT suggesting you're accepting that or acting from it, either) the idea that mere exploration or extrapolation of a topic means anyone's gone "off-topic" or should be scolded for such, or for merely disagreeing ... however broad the consensus.
Someone mentioned once before how they're "treated" in the "religious" forums, as if that should decide how anyone is treated HERE. It shouldn't. If anyone is unwelcome elsewhere ... that doesn't mean I'm acting in any way deserving of unwelcoming HERE (when I would suppose folks here would agree we should treat people better, and with more openmindedness ... here)
The topic presupposes that non-theistic morality exists.
Respectfully, I don't think it 'pre-supposes' anything of the sort.
I'm certainly NOT here beating a drum of THEISM.
All I've mentioned here is a possible approach on the spectrum of Morality of having "religion" being 'seen' as a source of Morality.
Not every "religion" needs to be "theistic" (perhaps some forms of Buddhism, for instance) ...
So, respectfully, PLEASE don't presume to scold someone for their sincere comments, and PLEASE don't over-use the whole Don't comment in my thread thing either.
I've started threads too, and folks came and took them off topic (imo) ... and I've NEVER asked anyone not to comment. NEVER.
You'll recall you've asked me before, and I did.
But that's my choice.
To suggest otherwise is off-topic and offensive to many people in this forum. Not to mention, willfully ignorant.
You're getting unnecessarily personal there.
And you're pretending to speak for others who can of course speak for themselves (if they're offended, but I gave NO OFFENSE)
Most sadly, when you CLAIM that I've been 'offensive' to folks here ... if I remain silent, then that FALSE CHARACTERIZATION stands undenied. So YOU'RE FORCING ME to reply now ... right?
(Really, let's all note that: When we want to cool down a heated thread, that's a thing to AVOID doing: don't FORCE someone to see things as being "offensive" or insulting ... when you cannot prove that was ever their intent!)
And I'm not being 'willfully ignorant' ... just because I think you're MISTAKEN in claiming I was 'off-topic' (and I already did you the courtesy, above, of explaining WHY I'm not off topic)
PLUS -----> You say this in your OWN thread, IN PUBLIC, where you KNOW I'll now have respond also in public? Why? We've had perfectly respectful and productive PRIVATE MESSAGES between us. Right?
Ruv ... c'mon, man ... I'm not derailing or off topic NOW either ... I'm just answering issues YOU needlessly brought into your own thread, in public.
I'm going to ask that you no longer contribute to this thread, Axe.
'Ask' is technically polite enough ... even though bouncers at bars sometimes 'ask' patrons to leave by adding an extra ten meter hike at the door!
Fine. I offered my views, it was on topic, I have no reason to argue.
But still ... what's said in public threads gets answered in public threads.
*shrug*
Now, Ruv got to sling his 'willfully ignorant' barb ... so here's my own 'mind-reading' performance (Tickets on sale at the carny tent entance for two cents!)
If anyone hypothetically wants or needs to paint ME as "the unwelcome trolling Theist" ... that's just them building their own strawman to wail against and a crutch to lean on, imo.
And suggesting that "if" here shouldn't be 'offensive' to anyone here ... unless they decided themselves that the shoe fits.
Again: I've never asked anyone not to comment anymore in one of my threads. And you could've asked in a Private Message without inviting my response here.
... sow ... reap ... It's sort of how the cosmos works out, y'know? It never has to get personal.
That said ... sometimes I'm happy to withdraw without wanting to ruin everybody else's party!
Other times, somebody's moneychangers' table in the temple might get disturbed and decorum is sacrificed in the name of good discussion (but, admittedly, by someone better suited than myself) ...
I nod to Ruv's request ... The moving hand moves on, etc ...
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