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    volitare nequeo AW Moderator veinglory's Avatar
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    Black Leaf Publishing / Blue Cloud Publications / Boudoir Press

    http://blackleafpublishing.com/
    http://bluecloudpublications.com/index.html
    http://boudoirpress.com/

    These appear to be a series of connected British vanity presses. Does anyone have any direct experiences with them?
    Emily Veinglory

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    http://blackleafpublishing.com/faq.html#6

    (Q) Is there any charge to have my book published by Black Leaf?

    (A) Yes, we charge an "across the board" setup fee of ₤199 GBP which is approximately 10% of the publishing cost.
    (Q) You mention paying a sum of ₤60 annually to keep the book in print, what is this for and is this payment forever?

    (A) No, as stated in our contract, we shall decide when the Work is out-of-print based on copies of the Work sold in a 24 month period. That being said in order to print a book a "Print Template" is made by the printers and we are charged to keep this template available so that your book can be printed as and when required. If this fee is not maintained and the book requires further copies printing a new print template will have to be created. We pay this for all our Authors for the first year. However, it is then the Author's responsibility thereafter to maintain this payment if they wish the book to remain available to be printed.
    (Q) I've been advised not to pay to have my work published.

    (A) Good advice. There are a lot of publishers out there who will charge you a small fortune to publish your work (ask one of our founding partners). Originally we set out not to charge our Authors anything, but in the real world bills have to be paid and until we land the next "Harry Potter" have to meet our costs and stay afloat. Sorry.
    Gah. And this is the "traditional" arm....
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    in the real world bills have to be paid and until we land the next "Harry Potter" have to meet our costs and stay afloat.
    In the business world they call this money "startup capital." It's the money with which you begin the business so you can stay afloat long enough to turn a profit. It's the money you should've had in your bank accounts before you ever start acquiring products to sell.

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    Boudoir/Black Leaf is advertising for authors over on Veinglory's Erotic Romance Writers forum and has informed us that the only choice for first-time authors is to self-publish or to vanity publish:

    To have a book printed and distributed at a REAL market price cost money, no unknown Author sells 1000īs of copies of a new book immediately, so no big royalties coming in. Question how can any business survive with no money coming in?

    So that leaves 3 options which a new author can choose from

    1) Do it all themselves with Lulu or Createspace.

    2) Pay a company like AuthorHouse about $ 2500 (and yes some of the authors at Black Leaf had their first books published this way)

    3) Go for the in-between option with a company like Black Leaf.
    Maybe nobody told them about option #4, commercial publishing. Maybe they've not heard of Yog's Law. Or maybe they do know about it, and they're scammers.

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    Clueless or crooked?

    From the author's point of view there's no difference.

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    Blue Cloud Productions and Boudoir Press are gone, in '11 and '12 respectively. Black Leaf continues.
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