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    Mainly Murder Press

    http://www.mainlymurderpress.com/ Traditional royalty paying publisher using POD. Nothing on Preditors and Editors. Not listed on the MWA approved publisher list.

    Anybody know anything about these guys? They've asked for my manuscript.
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    Lead Poisoning (2nd ed.) - Things go wrong when a fugitive mob troubleshooter retires to New Hampshire to live with his family.
    Stress Fractures - Kevin Markinson, injured escaping from prison, taken hostage with a teenage boy and surrounded by law enforcement, discovers that everybody has a breaking point.
    Frostbite - a bumbling gang of Rhode Island mobsters get more than they bargained for when they kidnap an aging assassin.

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    http://www.mainlymurderpress.com/sample_contract.pdf

    Pays on net. I expect they mean well, but I suggest giving them at least another year to test their sales model before giving them your book.
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    Have you ever personally read any of their books?

    I would never consider submitting to a publisher unless I was certain that I'd be happy to have my book on the same shelf as their other offerings.

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    Okay, I went and read an excerpt on one of their author's websites. It's not horrid. They do look new. One thing that makes me just a tad suspicious is that three of the books are by Judith Ivie, who is the editor who requested my manuscript. But if she was just using this press as a way to self-publish, there wouldn't be any by anybody else, right?
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    Out now from Barking Rain Press:
    Lead Poisoning (2nd ed.) - Things go wrong when a fugitive mob troubleshooter retires to New Hampshire to live with his family.
    Stress Fractures - Kevin Markinson, injured escaping from prison, taken hostage with a teenage boy and surrounded by law enforcement, discovers that everybody has a breaking point.
    Frostbite - a bumbling gang of Rhode Island mobsters get more than they bargained for when they kidnap an aging assassin.

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    Not unless there's more money in publishing others than is publishing one's self...e.g., the bit about "allowing" authors to buy their own books for resale (30% discount, no royalties)? That tells you they don't expect to sell much through bookstores.
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    Looking at the submissions page, they want a business plan. In other words, they want to know "how you intend to promote and market your published manuscript."

    I'd be asking them how they intend to promote and market your book.

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    They've made me an offer. Is there anything in that contract that raises a red flag?
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    Out now from Barking Rain Press:
    Lead Poisoning (2nd ed.) - Things go wrong when a fugitive mob troubleshooter retires to New Hampshire to live with his family.
    Stress Fractures - Kevin Markinson, injured escaping from prison, taken hostage with a teenage boy and surrounded by law enforcement, discovers that everybody has a breaking point.
    Frostbite - a bumbling gang of Rhode Island mobsters get more than they bargained for when they kidnap an aging assassin.

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    jeseymour:
    Is there anything in that contract that raises a red flag?
    It's not a red flag, but the sample contract is for worldwide rights (Clause 1), when at most they should be taking US and Canada. If they can't sell you in those territories, then they're not going to be able to anywhere else.

    Clause 2 states that the agreement will only last 3 years. Given that it's POD, I'd be more relaxed about having some kind of time limit on the contract, but if the only person doing active marketing is you, then I'd be tempted to ask for a lower period because if it should happen that your efforts secures the interest of a commercial publisher (and without wishing to cause offence, the chances are low), then you're better off getting out sooner rather than later.

    Clause 3 - the Publisher's termination rights are widely drafted and I don't see why they need a reference to "excessive returns" given that they're POD.

    In Clause 3, the provision requiring you to pay £400 in the event that you require early termination should be struck out. It's a POD operation, so there shouldn't be any costs.

    Clause 4 - I'd want clarification as to how this relates to the term of the contract. It seems to me that the Contract commences for a period of 3 years from the date of signature, but they don't have to publish anything for 18 months from the date of approval and acceptance of your final manuscript. I'd clarify when that is intended to be because otherwise, they could dick you around for 2 years and then not be obliged to publish until after the 3 year term has already expired.

    Clause 6 - like everyone else said, royalties shouldn't be on net, they should be on gross and again, it's POD so I don't see how the returns model applies.

    Watch the provision that says you don't get royalties on copies that you buy yourself. In practice if this "publisher" has no distribution, you're going to have to buy copies yourself and hawk it. The only way for you to make money in that situation is to sell for more than the cover price and if the cover price is high, then you're going to have problems sustaining a margin.

    Clause 7 - royalties won't be paid until the amount reached $25. Given that this is POD, and given that you'll most likely be doing the selling, I'd want that reduced to $5.

    Clause 9 - for the reasons set out above, I'd want that threshold lowered to $25.

    Clause 11 - you shouldn't be required to provide cover art at your own expense.

    Clause 12 - failure to return galleys within 20 days should not trigger termination.

    Clause 14 - you shouldn't have to pay for author copies if you want to submit your book to competition or contests. Also, there's no mention in there of what the Publisher is going to do to promote your book.

    Personally, I'd counsel against signing with this company for the same reasons set out by other people above (i.e. no apparent track record, plus they're not paying an advance), but it's your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulieB View Post
    Looking at the submissions page, they want a business plan. In other words, they want to know "how you intend to promote and market your published manuscript."
    Julie, I know nothing about MMP, but more and more mainstream editors (and agents) are asking for a proposal on novels. Obviously novels are completed, but the information that goes into a proposal tells the editor (or agent) whether the book is a viable product. It offers up the competitive titles, why the author was the best person to have written their book, where they see it shelved in the bookstores, what their promo plans are, marketing ideas for the publisher, etc.

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    Mainly Murder Press is a pretty good outfit

    I know one of their authors. Her book is excellent and the time from acceptance to launch was only 6 months. Some very nice cover art was provided at no expense. Ditto review copies. She was allowed input on the cover art. This press is recommended by Sisters in Crime and they have good distribution through Ingram.

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    I did end up going with MMP. Did not get free review copies, so I don't know where that came from, annerallen. My time from acceptance to launch was a year. They will not look at my next book because I haven't met their minimum sales figure. Sigh.

    Edited to add that the minimum sales figure required for a second book went up between the time I published the first book with them and now.
    Last edited by jeseymour; 01-17-2012 at 08:31 PM.
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    Out now from Barking Rain Press:
    Lead Poisoning (2nd ed.) - Things go wrong when a fugitive mob troubleshooter retires to New Hampshire to live with his family.
    Stress Fractures - Kevin Markinson, injured escaping from prison, taken hostage with a teenage boy and surrounded by law enforcement, discovers that everybody has a breaking point.
    Frostbite - a bumbling gang of Rhode Island mobsters get more than they bargained for when they kidnap an aging assassin.

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    Talking Mainly Murder Press

    Hey, I sent my manuscript to Mainly murder publishers yesterday, was wondering if anyone knows about them if they good or not, because I'm new I don't know much about this and love your input.
    Thanks

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    HI DC

    Go and check out the Bewares forum further down on the front page (forget what section it's under). Be sure to check out Preditors and Editors as well.
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    ok thanks for your help and very nice website
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    You are very welcome. The Beware forum is under the discussion heading.
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    Psssst - research a publisher *before* you send the MS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theo81 View Post
    Psssst - research a publisher *before* you send the MS.
    Yep, do this. You may get lucky and have a match with your work and the publisher, but it's hard enough as it is. Better to give yourself more of a chance and research them first.

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    thanks, I looked on bbb but nothing came up on them, but that doesn't mean anything, it just means no one complained

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    *woosh* chugga, chugga BAM!

    Thread moved. As you were.
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    Adding a link. I presume this is who you meant: http://www.mainlymurderpress.com/submissions.php


    ETA: If this is who you meant, it says they are closed to submissions at this time.
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    The BBB doesn't help with publishers because (I think) it only deals with problems between suppliers and consumers: the publisher-author relationship doesn't come into that category.

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    If they are out of New England yes, they opened there submission on Sat I just sent them one
    I just went and look that's the one,
    Last edited by dcstone; 10-04-2011 at 12:47 AM.

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    http://www.mainlymurderpress.com/

    this is where I went and its opened for submission it just opened on sat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Hack View Post
    The BBB doesn't help with publishers because (I think) it only deals with problems between suppliers and consumers: the publisher-author relationship doesn't come into that category.

    thanks I will try this

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    Thanks for your input its something to think about

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