The Newer Never-Ending PublishAmerica / America Star Books Thread

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Hold it...

You have to call or mail in your order, but once you click submit it can't be undone? Pardon me while my head explodes. (I'd already planned to clean the home office today. What's a little more mess?)
 

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No, no, ya must call or mail the order to receive the discount. But if you mail in, you have to calculate the order using the full price...meaning trust they'll give you the discount when they process it? :e2hammer:
 

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No, you don't get the discount.

Read your contract for details.
And if you get confused, too bad. Your fault.
Orders placed with the online store DO NOT get the discount.
No refunds.
No orders rescinded.
AUTOMATIC charge to your credit card.

That's how 'traditional publishers' operate. Yeah, right.

Now, was that so hard to understand?
 
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Giving a discount in the online store would require the programmers to actually change things every time PA comes up with a new discount scheme, and most importantly, it would allow normal people to order books at a discount. They have talked of giving authors a special number that they would have to enter to get the discount, but it would be only a matter of time before someone figured out that he could print that number on his bookmarks (and of course, the lollipops).
 

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If you choose to mail in your order, please calculate your total based on the retail price and not the special price, as stated in your contract.

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We will react to all reasonable suggestions. We will accept it, or refuse it, or negotiate with you.

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"Nope. We've decided your book isn't getting its price reduced. The cost of your book stands."
 

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FTC regulations BUT read the exceptions!

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/products/pro03.shtm

The Cooling-Off Rule: When and How to Cancel a Sale

If you buy something at a store and later change your mind, you may not be able to return the merchandise. But if you buy an item in your home or at a location that is not the seller's permanent place of business, you may have the option.

The Federal Trade Commission's (FTC's) Cooling-Off Rule gives you three days to cancel purchases of $25 or more. Under the Cooling-Off Rule, your right to cancel for a full refund extends until midnight of the third business day after the sale.


The Cooling-Off Rule applies to sales at the buyer's home, workplace or dormitory, or at facilities rented by the seller on a temporary or short-term basis, such as hotel or motel rooms, convention centers, fairgrounds and restaurants. The Cooling-Off Rule applies even when you invite the salesperson to make a presentation in your home.
Under the Cooling-Off Rule, the salesperson must tell you about your cancellation rights at the time of sale. The salesperson also must give you two copies of a cancellation form (one to keep and one to send) and a copy of your contract or receipt. The contract or receipt should be dated, show the name and address of the seller, and explain your right to cancel. The contract or receipt must be in the same language that's used in the sales presentation.
Some Exceptions

Some types of sales cannot be canceled even if they do occur in locations normally covered by the Rule. The Cooling-Off Rule does not cover sales that:

  • are under $25;
  • are for goods or services not primarily intended for personal, family or household purposes. (The Rule applies to courses of instruction or training.);

  • are made entirely by mail or telephone;
  • are the result of prior negotiations at the seller's permanent business location where the goods are sold regularly;
  • are needed to meet an emergency. Suppose insects suddenly appear in your home, and you waive your right to cancel;
  • are made as part of your request for the seller to do repairs or maintenance on your personal property (purchases made beyond the maintenance or repair request are covered).
Also exempt from the Cooling-Off Rule are sales that involve:

  • real estate, insurance, or securities;
  • automobiles, vans, trucks, or other motor vehicles sold at temporary locations, provided the seller has at least one permanent place of business;
  • arts or crafts sold at fairs or locations such as shopping malls, civic centers, and schools.
How to Cancel

To cancel a sale, sign and date one copy of the cancellation form. Mail it to the address given for cancellation, making sure the envelope is post-marked before midnight of the third business day after the contract date. (Saturday is considered a business day; Sundays and federal holidays are not.) Because proof of the mailing date and proof of receipt are important, consider sending the cancellation form by certified mail so you can get a return receipt. Or, consider hand delivering the cancellation notice before midnight of the third business day. Keep the other copy of the cancellation form for your records.
If the seller did not give cancellation forms, you can write your own cancellation letter. It must be post-marked within three business days of the sale.
You do not have to give a reason for canceling your purchase. You have a right to change your mind.
If You Cancel

If you cancel your purchase, the seller has 10 days to:

  • Cancel and return any promissory note or other negotiable instrument you signed;
  • refund all your money and tell you whether any product you still have will be picked up; and
  • return any trade-in.
Within 20 days, the seller must either pick up the items left with you, or reimburse you for mailing expenses, if you agree to send back the items.
If you received any goods from the seller, you must make them available to the seller in as good condition as when you received them. If you do not make the items available to the seller - or if you agree to return the items but fail to - you remain obligated under the contract.
Problems

If you have a complaint about sales practices that involve the Cooling-Off Rule, write: Consumer Response Center, Federal Trade Commission, Washington, DC 20580. The Rule's complete name and citation are: Rule Concerning Cooling-Off Period for Sales Made at Homes or at Certain Other Locations; 16 CFR Part 429.
You also may wish to contact a consumer protection office in your city, county, or state. Some state laws give you even more rights than the FTC's Cooling-Off Rule, and some local consumer offices can help you resolve your complaint.

In addition, if you paid for your purchase with a credit card and a billing dispute arises about the purchase (for example, if the merchandise shipped was not what you ordered), you can notify the credit card company that you want to dispute the purchase. Under the Fair Credit Billing Act, the credit card company must acknowledge your dispute in writing and conduct a reasonable investigation of your problem. You may withhold payment of the amount in dispute, until the dispute is resolved. (You are still required to pay any part of your bill that is not in dispute.) To protect your rights under the Fair Credit Billing Act, you must send a written notice about the problem to the credit card company at the address for billing disputes specified on your billing statement within 60 days after the first bill containing the disputed amount is mailed to you.

If the 60-day period has expired or if your dispute concerns the quality of the merchandise purchased, you may have other rights under the Act. If you have questions about the Fair Credit Billing Act, see the FTC's brochure, Fair Credit Billing, or order a free copy by writing to: Consumer Response Center, Federal Trade Commission, Washington, DC 20580.
The FTC works for the consumer to prevent fraudulent, deceptive, and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop, and avoid them. To file a complaint or to get free information on consumer issues, visit ftc.gov or call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357); TTY: 1-866-653-4261. The FTC enters consumer complaints into the Consumer Sentinel Network, a secure online database and investigative tool used by hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. and abroad.
 
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So if you order strictly online, you won't get the discount.

If you order by mail or telephone, PA can refuse to refund if you're unhappy.

WTF ??
 

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Hello Folks,

Jumping in here to say thank you to folks like you that keep the unwashed like me informed on things like this...I have numerous writings on the web and was actually contacted by Publish America asking me to send in a manuscript..I am a poet...but a friend of mine pointed me in this directions and I'll be forever in her debt. I'm a poet...I used to be a novelist...and I got caught many years ago by an animal known as Northwest Publishing...

Again, my thanks...you folks do a wonderful thing here...

Topper
 

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Welcome Topper! Glad to hear you now have more information on these folks. I hope I'm not parrotting Gillhoughly too badly when I say:

Here is one person who works at PA. Take a look at her history, then pop over to the contract thread (albeit, I think the contract may have changed since Victoria did her line-by-line in that thread) here in case you ever have any doubt about the multitude of problems experienced with PA's business model.
 

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:welcome:, Topper!

Hope you stick around. We've got a lively poetry community here, so please check out the forums. You'll find tons of useful information.
 

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And the countdown begins

Help me, please!!!

PublishAmerica has decided to drop the cost of <title> from $16.95 to $9.95 for a 48 hour trial run.

There's always a catch. So this author has to persuade 19 or more people to place orders for her book in 48 hours (bet you anything she'll end up ordering the books herself).

If everyone I know goes to www.publishamerica.net and orders <title> for $9.95 then PublishAmerica will keep the price at $9.95 so I have a better chance of selling the book online at all the major bookstore retailers.

Also, if you purchase a copy from the publisher, I get paid!!!

Now, a special incentive to purchase a copy of <title> straight from the publisher...
If you live in Nevada, not only will I personally come and sign a copy of the book, but, you will get a special, one of a kind, custom made, handmade gift of your choice. These value from $5.00 to $150.00 (Remember, your choice!!!) Not only that, but you will receive a coupon for 20% off of <title of book 2> when it is released at Christmas time.

This $9.95 special is only good til Friday at Midnight. So, Please people, go do this for me.


Friday today, midnight eight hours away by my time.
 

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If you live in Nevada, not only will I personally come and sign a copy of the book

I'd love to test that, especially if I lived in Jackpot Nevada, and the writer lived in Searchlight, Nevada, which is 543 miles (a 10-hour drive) away.

Dear writer, how in the world are you going to get any profit out of that deal? Whatever royalty you get is going to be burned away in gas money, food, and lodging.

Your sales at online bookstores are not going to improve just because PA cut the price for a few days.

NO legit publisher does that to its writers. They sell their books at a reasonable price from the very first.

you will get a special, one of a kind, custom made, handmade gift of your choice. These value from $5.00 to $150.00

Again--where is your profit? If all 19 people buy a copy, you *might* make a few bucks in royalties, but the lion's share goes to PA, not you. You are out the cost of those handmade goodies, and I expect that cost exceeds your royalties.

I do expect your name goes on a special list in the PA computer that lets them know you're a "good" writer in their eyes, and that they need to send you even MORE "money saving" offers.

Wake up. Smell coffee.

You have a better chance of making money at the Vegas blackjack tables than you do of making money with PA.
 

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This really hits home how cruel PA is. Watching the desperate scramble for a few pitiful sales is heartbreaking. No one deserves to be treated this way.
 

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I do expect your name goes on a special list in the PA computer that lets them know you're a "good" writer in their eyes, and that they need to send you even MORE "money saving" offers.

Or else it goes on a "first book was reduced in price, jack up price of second book even more to compensate" list.
 

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If a price falls in the PA store, but no one knows the book exists, does it still make a sale? :(
 

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You have a better chance of making money at the Vegas blackjack tables than you do of making money with PA.

Ordinary people have won thousands, millions, in casinos. Its rare. But it happens.

How many people have made thousands, tens of thousands (let alone millions) with PA?
 

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Whatever you do, read PA's claim carefully. Does it state that they'll also reduce the price in all the other outlets? Or will they later claim they tried to reduce the price, but it became set in concrete at the other outlets despite their best efforts to have it reduced? Either way could mean the offer is worthless.
 

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I wonder...

...if everyone who received shoddy books from PA complained to their credit card company, what impact could it have?

*See above post re FTC guidelines concerning credit card purchases.

In addition, if you paid for your purchase with a credit card and a billing dispute arises about the purchase (for example, if the merchandise shipped was not what you ordered), you can notify the credit card company that you want to dispute the purchase. Under the Fair Credit Billing Act, the credit card company must acknowledge your dispute in writing and conduct a reasonable investigation of your problem. You may withhold payment of the amount in dispute, until the dispute is resolved. (You are still required to pay any part of your bill that is not in dispute.) To protect your rights under the Fair Credit Billing Act, you must send a written notice about the problem to the credit card company at the address for billing disputes specified on your billing statement within 60 days after the first bill containing the disputed amount is mailed to you.
 
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Ordinary people have won thousands, millions, in casinos. Its rare. But it happens.

How many people have made thousands, tens of thousands (let alone millions) with PA?
And the casino will not send you "tone" letters, imply that you are an idiot, refer you to a costly 900 number for information, or keep chasing after you to put more and more into the slot machines.

--Ken

P.S. someone close to my own family won something like $200,000 in a casino a few years ago. Yep, it at least can happen.