The difference between Marxism and Socialism

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Hurm.

Socialism seems to be a more middle ground, while Marxism seems more violent and Communism...well, Communism has yet to actually exist. Its always turned into totalitarianism with a socialist economy structure thingy.
 

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Are there some "official" ones we could start with?
 

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oh and one other thing, no personal agenda's about religion. Move along sir if you haven't anything else to contribute.

Try a history book instead of a political plank. As far as I've found that is the only example of true idealistic communism in practice. It ended with the synod that began the modern Bible and split what was to become Catholocism from the Ethiopian Christian Church.
 
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Don, start with what you know, historical to current, political science and economic majors feel free to chim in.

I've just always found these lines blurred and would like to understand them better.
 

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Actually, that does kinda make sense...except when the dark ages started to come to an end, the Monks of St. Benedict were the first to start doing really capitalistic things. I think the Church was also responsible for rediscovering all the ways you can use water for industrial purposes.

They made a mint, believe you me.
 

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As far as I understand it, Socialism has no objection to some people making more money than others - the question is how those earnings are then taxed or the capital redistributed in order to benefit the whole of society rather than the individual. Communism seeks to take that 'right' away, and make everybody socially, financially and ideologically equal. Taking human nature into account, Communism is unworkable. Socialism is unpopular, in my view, because the pursuit of money/status/property, has become a cornerstone of Western society. I've long since accepted that :)

Marx was revolutionary in that most of Europe when he was alive was still strongly monarchical (Germany, Marx's home country, has lost its monarchy since then) and society was even more unequal than it is today. He wanted the ordinary working man and woman to be properly recognised and rewarded for the work they did, which kept the aristocracy and monarchy in place by generating wealth for them. The aristocracy and monarchy had no interest in improving the lives or conditions of the working class; the cheaper their labour was, the more profit they stood to gain. I've only cursorily studied Marx, and can certainly claim no expertise, but the basic principle was that a working-class person was more important to society as a whole than a member of the upper-class. It was a popular idea, because the working-class vastly outnumbered the middle- and upper-class, therefore the base of people he was advocating for was overwhelmingly larger.

Just my own thoughts. I don't claim any academic credentials for them.
 

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Actually, that does kinda make sense...except when the dark ages started to come to an end, the Monks of St. Benedict were the first to start doing really capitalistic things. I think the Church was also responsible for rediscovering all the ways you can use water for industrial purposes.

They made a mint, believe you me.
Any references for us, Zoombie?
 

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As far as I understand it, Socialism has no objection to some people making more money than others - the question is how those earnings are then taxed or the capital redistributed in order to benefit the whole of society rather than the individual. Communism seeks to take that 'right' away, and make everybody socially, financially and ideologically equal. Taking human nature into account, Communism is unworkable. Socialism is unpopular, in my view, because the pursuit of money/status/property, has become a cornerstone of Western society. I've long since accepted that :)

Marx was revolutionary in that most of Europe when he was alive was still strongly monarchical (Germany, Marx's home country, has lost its monarchy since then) and society was even more unequal than it is today. He wanted the ordinary working man and woman to be properly recognised and rewarded for the work they did, which kept the aristocracy and monarchy in place by generating wealth for them. The aristocracy and monarchy had no interest in improving the lives or conditions of the working class; the cheaper their labour was, the more profit they stood to gain. I've only cursorily studied Marx, and can certainly claim no expertise, but the basic principle was that a working-class person was more important to society as a whole than a member of the upper-class. It was a popular idea, because the working-class vastly outnumbered the middle- and upper-class, therefore the base of people he was advocating for was overwhelmingly larger.

Just my own thoughts. I don't claim any academic credentials for them.
Fran, yes...thank you, that's how I remembered Marxism too.

I have to admit, I do think that the working class citizen is more vital to our society than the upper. Without their hard work and sacrifice we wouldn't survive.
 

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Any references for us, Zoombie?

Marxism is a set of analytic methods. Socialism is a way to save Speculative Finance Capital from destroying itself by making one thing worth all the money there is and then not having the money to spend on it.
 

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Marxism is a set of analytic methods. Socialism is a way to save Speculative Finance Capital from destroying itself by making one thing worth all the money there is and then not having the money to spend on it.
aha! we have an economist amongst us. Thanks for your input Higgins. :)
 

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oh and one other thing, no personal agenda's about religion. Move along sir if you haven't anything else to contribute.

I think (but might misconstrue) George's comment was actually meant in seriousness, nor was it meant to deride the church. Small 'c' communism isn't an inherent evil - but the methods used in attempts to achieve it have so far come pretty close. I do agree with him that the early apostolic church had some elements of the utopian nature of communist ideals about it.

Becky, far from an expert.
 

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I think (but might misconstrue) George's comment

not miscontrued, but rather dead on; I was beginning to wonder if noboby else had looked at history empirically (I think I'm using that term correctly)
 

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Marxism starts with an m. Socialism starts with an s.

Sorry. That's the extent of my knowledge on modern political theory.
 

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From what I know of Acts and the history of the early church, George is accurate. I've said elsewhere, in all seriousness, much of the same.


Wouldn't wikipedia solve the OP in a matter of seconds?

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