http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32277010/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
News reports are stating a deal is done and he will be returning with both journalists.
Bill Clinton Heading to N. Korea for Talks on Jailed Reporters
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If he's successful, I thank him, as I would think every American would. I think Bill has put his best foot forward here, using his position for the greater good. Given who he is dealing with, I totally commend him. . . .
I hope he succeeds. I didn't read the linky, was it an official trip or did he just go on his own? I hope he at least touched base with the SecState first. 
I hope he at least touched base with the SecState first.
I don't think Hillary lets him past 2nd these days.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/08/03/world/international-korea-north-clinton.html
Seriously, hope it works out.
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It's quite amazing, really. I hope there isn't the usual cynical criticism to go with a job well done. Thank you, Mr. Clinton. Well done, very well done. . . . .
i'm glad he was able to secure the release of the americans.
i do wonder what he had to promise in order to make it happen. if he was able to simply instill in the dear leader that he was treading on seriously thin ice, then bravo.
if he undermined US positions, then that's not good.
if the obama administration sent him to play good cop to hillary's bad cop, then that's the way politics goes. i just hope it was not designed in such a way that it weakened the american position.
officially, however, the white house has denied any role, which is something of a headscratcher, since obama's comments on the imprisonment of the american citizens was met with flaccid "disappointment" and the big dog goes there "privately", swoops in for a day and secures their release.
the big loser in all this, of course, is al gore.
i do wonder what he had to promise in order to make it happen. if he was able to simply instill in the dear leader that he was treading on seriously thin ice, then bravo.
if he undermined US positions, then that's not good.
if the obama administration sent him to play good cop to hillary's bad cop, then that's the way politics goes. i just hope it was not designed in such a way that it weakened the american position.
officially, however, the white house has denied any role, which is something of a headscratcher, since obama's comments on the imprisonment of the american citizens was met with flaccid "disappointment" and the big dog goes there "privately", swoops in for a day and secures their release.
the big loser in all this, of course, is al gore.
Clinton as in Bill and Obama as in Barack are hardly friends. I think it was as simple as getting a nut his fifteen minutes of undeserved respect. The pattern is clear. He got it; we got the Americans. Clinton did well. . . .
it's naive to think that an american citizen, even an ex-president, can just jet over to the DPRK without clearance from the state department. obama is giving himself plausible deniability.
I thank God that the two journalists are released. I heard last night Bill was headed there and said my prayers the right outcome. A great thing came from this, that's how I see it.
Yes,
North Korea only has one commodity.
Instability.
TO my knowledge, they don't have any main exports that bolster their economy.
They really are a pain in the ass and will keep being a pain in the ass because, well, that is their commodity. Every few years they start something and then we (the west) swoops in and makes a deal. There is some peace, then after a while the cycle starts over again.
*sigh*
This was nothing special, just part of their never ending cycle.
Mel...
one could argue, however, that thousands, perhaps millions, more north koreans could die of starvation, be executed, or replace these girls in the labor camps owing to the breathing room clinton might have given the regime through positive propaganda.
I would wonder, those who would propose this argument. Would they support an invasion of North Korea?
Or put another way, what is the alternative? Sanctions? North Korea plays that game better than we do. They'd just kick off their nuclear program again and then we'd go in and make another 'deal'.
Basically, N. Korea is such a big ball of shit that I do see any real alternative for dealing with them in the short term.
At least, no alternative the public will support.
Well, this helps makes my point. Their only commodity is instability.
Mel..
That's quite an accusation. If there's a fit at all, I think it's a better fit with the Neoconservative element of the Republican party, certainly not Clinton. I haven't seen a shred of positive propaganda on this side, and the NK's have long since lost any starry eyes or gullibility on the Kim front. He's not long for this world, and his son and heir apparent, being young and valuing life, isn't going to be the same desperate fool for notoriety. I'm sure he's realized the world is laughing. . . .
"Clinton expressed words of sincere apology to Kim Jong Il for the hostile acts committed by the two American journalists against the DPRK after illegally intruding into it," the news agency reported. "Clinton courteously conveyed to Kim Jong Il an earnest request of the U.S. government to leniently pardon them and send them back home from a humanitarian point of view.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/04/nkorea.clinton/index.html
Mr Kim’s “special pardon” was a sign of North Koreas’s “humanitarian and peace-loving policy”, the state’s official news agency said.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6738756.ece
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/04/nkorea.clinton/index.html
Mr Kim’s “special pardon” was a sign of North Koreas’s “humanitarian and peace-loving policy”, the state’s official news agency said.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6738756.ece