ABC TURNS PROGRAMMING OVER TO OBAMA; NEWS TO BE ANCHORED FROM INSIDE WHITE HOUSE

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By definition a humanitarian is not motivated by money, so doctors are not humanitarians. This is not to say that doctors don't care about the well being of their patients, but is to say, that financial considerations are a part of every patients treatment thereby excluding doctors from the ranks of noble humanitarians who do not seek financial reward in pursuing and defining their efforts.


humanitarian: a person promoting human welfare and social reform : philanthropist -- From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/humanitarian

I don't see where the definition of humanitarian disallows a person based on their motivations. In fact, if you follow the synonym of philanthropy, you'll find that philanthropists distribute money for humanitarian projects. Where do you suppose that money comes from, if people with money can't be philanthropists?

Doctors are human beings. They have bills, debts, families, just like everyone else, and it's preposterous for you to declare that their need to earn an income makes them somehow anti-humanitarian.
 

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The reason hospitals and doctors hire the services of administrators is to act as buffer and repellent to those who can not afford heath care, I think we sometimes forget that it is in fact doctors who instruct administrators to deny treatment to patients for lack of payment. That little Hippocratic oath plays hell with doctors acknowledging that they don't want to treat indigent patients. So we blame insurance companies, hospitals, and others while doctors skate, but the truth is that many if not all of these institutions are ran or at least in serious consultation with the very doctors we all look to as shining knights only interested in our well being... Ah the Bullshit never stops....
 

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humanitarian: a person promoting human welfare and social reform : philanthropist -- From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/humanitarian

I don't see where the definition of humanitarian disallows a person based on their motivations. In fact, if you follow the synonym of philanthropy, you'll find that philanthropists distribute money for humanitarian projects. Where do you suppose that money comes from, if people with money can't be philanthropists?

Doctors are human beings. They have bills, debts, families, just like everyone else, and it's preposterous for you to declare that their need to earn an income makes them somehow anti-humanitarian.

Not to belabor this D... but you just made up your own definition, come on now, if I follow the synonym of philanthropy?????????

Well, if i pay a whore, isn't that promoting good will toward my fellow man, huh!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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The reason hospitals and doctors hire the services of administrators is to act as buffer and repellent to those who can not afford heath care, I think we sometimes forget that it is in fact doctors who instruct administrators to deny treatment to patients for lack of payment. That little Hippocratic oath plays hell with doctors acknowledging that they don't want to treat indigent patients. So we blame insurance companies, hospitals, and others while doctors skate, but the truth is that many if not all of these institutions are ran or at least in serious consultation with the very doctors we all look to as shining knights only interested in our well being... Ah the Bullshit never stops....

Sure sounds like it. You're a lot like BoP in that aspect. Require the world to see your shades of gray, demand they acknowledge your black and whites.
 

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Not to belabor this D... but you just made up your own definition, come on now, if I follow the synonym of philanthropy?????????

Well, if i pay a whore, isn't that promoting good will toward my fellow man, huh!!!!!!!!!!!

It wasn't that hard, Don.

philanthropist: : one who practices philanthropy

philanthropy:
1: goodwill to fellowmen ; especially : active effort to promote human welfare
2 a: a philanthropic act or gift b: an organization distributing or supported by philanthropic funds

philanthropic:
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by philanthropy : humanitarian
2 : dispensing or receiving aid from funds set aside for humanitarian purposes



So again... Humanitarians are synonymous with philanthropists. Philanthropists help distribute funds set aside for humanitarian purposes.

Who sets that money aside? People with money. Like Doctors.
 

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You can worship your doctor as a God for all I care, the fact remains that doctors make money, need to make money, and there is nothing wrong with them making money, but to equate doctors as humanitarians is wrong. They are in a business, and spent years and thousands of dollars to achieve their status as a physician. They make business decisions based on a bottom line and guess what? Sometimes that means a sick patient with no insurance or means has to go to county to get fixed or suffer with their predicament, THATS NOT EVEN IN YOUR DEFINITION OF HUMANITARIAN..
 

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You can worship your doctor as a God for all I care, the fact remains that doctors make money, need to make money, and there is nothing wrong with them making money, but to equate doctors as humanitarians is wrong. They are in a business, and spent years and thousands of dollars to achieve their status as a physician. They make business decisions based on a bottom line and guess what? Sometimes that means a sick patient with no insurance or means has to go to county to get fixed or suffer with their predicament, THATS NOT EVEN IN YOUR DEFINITION OF HUMANITARIAN..

Jesus. Maybe switch to decaf, buddy.

All I said was that liking money or needing to make money did not disqualify someone from being a humanitarian. You're the only one who suggested an absolute (mocking that all doctors were humanitarians).

Taking anything to the extreme always ends up in an absurd result.
 

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