Curse and swear words 1820s England

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I have been using the word 'damn' for my female charachter when she is frustrated, which may not be a word she would use at that time.

I need a curse or swear word that a English Lady in the 1820s might have used or possibly would think but not say, at times of frustration and when extremly angry.

Any idea?
 

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I think the word bloody or bloody hell would raise eyebrows. Other women would probably gasp and think she was fast or disreputable, if that's what you want.
 

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A wealthy, educated lady of that era is unlikely to use anything stronger than Bother or Botheration.
 

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your female has standing in society and socialises with her peers then she won't use damn or bloody. Females who swore were not socially acceptable and were shunned. And if she is well educated and brought up she won't have heard many, if any, swear words within her family and extended family so won't know 'em.

Bother and botheration, goodness gracious, oh my and oh me, oh, the good Lord preserve me (which wasn't blasphemous because you could say it as a prayer!) would probably be her choices. And the latter might well be one she would internalise in sticky situations

Where is she as that also affected what she would say? North of England women had some lovely dialect words they could use.
 
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Guys, thank you... although raised and bread in England she is in Australia and has spent at least three years married to an Australian here prior to my WIP begining.

Her time here would'nt not have been greatly different to England as far as the people she encountered, which would have been the genteel society of England, London high society, and her last husband would have been a high ranking officer in the King of Englands navey as would be her intended fiancee. Both were English.

As she would have been coming across both Irish, English and Scottish convicts from all classes there is no reason I can see that she could not have picked up a certain word from them.

I am also looking for a word that could really insult a man that she may have come across but might not be able to say but can think, and words that she may say when frustrated, or situations when she could very well murder :)

Is there a word a woman considered a lady could have said to a man back then that would have truely cut through him.

Bastard? - would she say it all think it in a context other then him not knowing his father.

And pdr, with the word 'damn' and 'bloody' by the time she is using them she is far removed from societly and placed on an esate in the middle of nowwhere. Could she not say them when alone, when she is removed from that society.

I would be greatly interested in the hearing the words you are thinking of and the country side that they come from. My charachters original location is not set in stone.
 
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I really don't think she'd say bastard. She would call a man a cad, a bounder or a rake. Bloody is definitely out, but "damnation" could be used as an internally thought expletive.

When frustrated, she may say: "Saints preserve me" or "Give me strength".
 

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I really don't think she'd say bastard. She would call a man a cad, a bounder or a rake. Bloody is definitely out, but "damnation" could be used as an internally thought expletive.

When frustrated, she may say: "Saints preserve me" or "Give me strength".

Ah, gwerty - I like the 'Saints preserve me" but would a Protestant say that? I must have lost something from all the responses to my last post. If Protestants don't pray to saints would that be something they would say.

Gee, it seems so easy.
 
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Cooee - when I was growing up here in the states, women in the educated classes still didn't swear. It's only been since about 1960 that women (ladies) have started to use more colorful language. Men did not swear or use questionable language in the presence of a lady - and if by any chance something slipped out, there was an immediate apology. (We had a crusty old farmer who lived across the road from us - he'd almost get his tongue tangled trying to change what he was going to say to something that was aceptable in my presence.) I can't tell you how many times after I started working (mid-late 60's) I had a man apologize to me for saying damn in my presence - including up to last year.

"You cad" was a cutting remark a woman could say to a man. "Ye Gods" was acceptable for a mature woman to say. Goodness gracious, goodness me, good grief, oh bother, botheration, shoot, darn, darnation, dang, dagnabit, heck were all in use by both sexes when I was growing up. Noticeably missing were all the references to body functions. Even in college, the swear words didn't increase much - acceptable were damn, hell, and shit but more from the guys than the girls and if a girl used one of them she was likely to say "shit, oh I mean shoot" and get a little red-faced. Puma
 

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Saints preserve me wouldn't be peculiar to any particular religion - just used as an expression of exasperation.
 

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I think you have a golden opportunity here to have your character INVENT a totally new and unique expression of her own, helping to flesh out her character. Like, if she thought of a man that she detested as a "labourer" or a "smithy" or a "turncoat" or a "libertine" or a "charlatan" or a "pettyfogger" or a "thimblerigger" and maybe for a woman a "slattern" a "doxy" or a "witch". There are lots of possibilites. You could add a suitable unusual adjective, or combine two: "a pettyfogging libertine", a "labourer's slattern".

ETA: If she used these expressions several times that would strengthen the effect.
 

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How about "devil take you"
I'm sure I've come across that somewhere.

I like Euclid's idea. Your MC could get so angry with him that she gets her words all jumbled up and come out with a very inventive turn of phrase.
 

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I am also looking for a word that could really insult a man that she may have come across but might not be able to say but can think, and words that she may say when frustrated, or situations when she could very well murder :)

Is there a word a woman considered a lady could have said to a man back then that would have truely cut through him.

If the man is a gentleman, he's well-accustomed to evaluating such language by context. Hearing a gentlewoman use a fairly mild word could have as much impact on him as hearing a lower-class woman use a very strong word.
 

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I'm just curious.... It would have been unusual for a woman that was not titled or not married to someone with title, or was married to a landowner, etc. to have wealth. Did she earn her fortune in Australia?

I have no idea about the swearing, as it's true that this would have made her unreceivable in society.
 

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Tricky!

Cad and bounder were not in use in 1820:

cad - "person lacking in finer feelings" is from 1838.
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bounder (slang, 1889) "would-be stylish person," perhaps from notion of one trying to "bound" into high society.

I think she might well use the word 'devil' which was not cursing but carried a lot of heavy religious weight on its usual non-use. People believed in the devil so if she were furious with a bloke in a private, not public situation, she might well call him son of a devil, evil devil, devil's spawn.

The devil take you is a Georgette Heyer expression.

Those of you younger than Puma and myself have no idea how much the use of curse and swear words has changed since the 1960s. During my childhood it was still common practice to have your mouth washed out with soap and water if you used words not considered polite! No gentleman would use such words in the presence of a woman and the 'working class' man was careful to watch his mouth around his employers or in public where ladies were present. It was a criminal offence right through the sixties to utter certain words in public and people were prosecuted for doing so!

And you have no idea how offensive it is for people my age to be told that something is fucking marvellous!
 

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Oh my gosh, pdr, - I'd forgotten about washing mouths out with soap (I was a good kid so I didn't have first hand experience).

Justice (punishment) was swift and sure in those days. It was so totally different than the way it is now. Puma
 

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My late in-laws were strong advocates of the soap treatment.

For me, just outright fear of my parents' anger was enough to keep my language cuss-free.

I never realised that 'the devil take you' was from Georgette Heyer, it just shows what one remembers. It must be, at least, 35 years, since I read one of her books!
 

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Thanks guys for the comments and Carmy for the link. My father is 64 and I must say I have never heard him swear, but my husband says he swears like a trooper. My mother has always sworn lololol -

OpheliaRevived - to answer your question. My charachter although fictional is based on a woman who came to Australia in 1801 after the death of her father left her family impoverished. She was a cousin of Lord Nelson and baring letters of introduction from Nelson her family arrived in Australia and were granted land. She married a free settler here who died and left her substancial control of propertys in Sydney and country.
 
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That download will take hours to read.

Although I am not sure I want to her to say anything that will make the scene funny I found this mix of words.

a corked-brained brisket beater

CORK-BRAINED. Light-headed, foolish

BRISKET BEATER. A Roman catholic.
 

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That download will take hours to read.

Although I am not sure I want to her to say anything that will make the scene funny I found this mix of words.

a corked-brained brisket beater

CORK-BRAINED. Light-headed, foolish

BRISKET BEATER. A Roman catholic.

I can see that you are going to have hours of endless amusement with that!

I might have to download it myself, just to expand my vocabulary of insults.