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    Amazon removing "adult" material from sales ranking

    This is being discussed in a few places, but this one seems to have the most info in it.

    http://markprobst.livejournal.com/15293.html

    My opinion is that if it's for sale on the site, it should be ranked on the site. No little special subcategories for genres or content.
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    Amazon isn't afraid to make money off adult content though...

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    They're going to have trouble making money off books that don't show up in searches. Which, according to #amazonfail (sorry, yes, another one) is what's happening to some author's books.

    http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23amazonfail
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    They are also removing from 'front page searches' a lot of romance, erotic romance, and erotica. Dear Author also has a good article on it as well.

    Note that you can search for 'vibrators' and it will pull up search results on the main page. A specific GLBT author? Nothing. An author that writes for Harlequin Spice? Nothing. A. N. Roquelaure (also known as Ann Rice)? Only out of print links that have not yet been updated.

    I've heard that they're also removing Gay non-fiction titles as well.
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    Amazon need to get a clue.

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    I don't see a problem with it. I wouldn't want my kid searching there and coming up with stuff like that. They aren't removing their availability, people who want those types of books can still get them.

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    Your kid can still search for vibrators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TTCleveland View Post
    I don't see a problem with it. I wouldn't want my kid searching there and coming up with stuff like that. They aren't removing their availability, people who want those types of books can still get them.
    "those types of books?"

    Excuse me? If you don't want your kid searching there, maybe you should concentrate on paying attention to your kid's computer use instead of restricting "those kinds of books."

    We're not talking porn--we're talking books that are written by authors on AW, among others.

    And there's a problem with the precedent Amazon is setting. They seem to be targeting gay and lesbian romance--but leaving Harold Robbins, or Jackie Collins.

    Moreover, they're removing queer YA books--books that are not erotic, or sexual, and that merely have young queer characters dealing with the same joys of YA life that all of deal with.

    And they're removing rankings data around those books as well.

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    Exactly, Medievalist. Amazon seems to have a weird new pick-and-choose policy.

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    Apparently this also affects gay non-fiction. But not Playboy.

    I think they must still be working on the parameters of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medievalist View Post
    "those types of books?"

    Excuse me? If you don't want your kid searching there, maybe you should concentrate on paying attention to your kid's computer use instead of restricting "those kinds of books."

    We're not talking porn--we're talking books that are written by authors on AW, among others.

    And there's a problem with the precedent Amazon is setting. They seem to be targeting gay and lesbian romance--but leaving Harold Robbins, or Jackie Collins.

    Moreover, they're removing queer YA books--books that are not erotic, or sexual, and that merely have young queer characters dealing with the same joys of YA life that all of deal with.

    And they're removing rankings data around those books as well.

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    QFT. Everyone visiting this thread needs to read this post in my opinion and, if you don't mind my saying so, I was particularly impressed by the text I've bolded.

    As someone who's just moving into a new genre - yes, 'that type of book', I couldn't agree more.

    I wonder if Amazon restrict access to books with violence in them? Probably not, 'cause, like, sex is moar worserer than killin' peoples.

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    I find it rather amusing that Flowers in the Attic gets to keep its sales rank.

    Seriously, though, if you're going to remove scores of titles does that not then render the whole idea of a sales rank completely useless?
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    I would object less if the policy weren't so obviously skewed -- even very non-explicit gay fiction is getting dropped, while heterosexual erotica has to be much more explicit. Do they just not want us to realize that there are plenty of LGBT or LGBT-friendly readers out there?

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    Don't worry. I think Amazon will soon find itself running short on customers to potentially offend if they keep this type of stuff up.

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    An adult filter would be fine, but across the board suppression is insane. Especially when it includes classic literature and anti-discrimination non-fiction.
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    Huh, that seems a bit nuts.

    Good post though Medievalist; if parents are worried, they need to be taking control of computer use, not telling Amazon what they should stock. I find the idea of an adult filter interesting though. Those books need to be available, there's no point going backwards, otherwise there will be book burnings next. All that said, i wouldn't be concerned about our son (when he's older!) reading YA (or adult, for that matter) books of an LGBT nature.
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    I can't help but wonder how this is going to affect women's health titles, in particular breast and ovarian cancer. Because...you know...lady bits...
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    The meta_writer community on LiveJournal is attempting to compile a list of affected books: http://community.livejournal.com/meta_writer/11992.html

    They have title, author, and brief information on the content of each book (including whether or not there is explicit sex).
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    I don't get why Amazon didn't just create some kind of opt-in safe search feature like Google has on their search function. If you don't want your kids looking at erotica or maybe you're just not into m/m books, you could just click a little box and voila! No naughty books in your search results.

    But to wipe out entire publisher listings from the front page search is mighty ridiculous. Kensington Aphrodisia authors, like, don't exist if you search for them on the front page. You have to find a non-erotic romance title by that author and then hope and pray the book you really want comes up in the "other books written by this author" link things. Same goes for classics like Lady Chatterley's Lover or Well of Loneliness! Because, you know, we need to protect customers from the classics!

    And what's with removing the ranks and search functions for YA novels featuring gay or lesbian protagonists but no sex anywhere in the text? But, hey, I can search for Playboy and see the Wet & Wild DVD collection! Apparently, YA novels showing gay/lesbian teens in a positive light equals dirty, bad adult content but a DVD collection of busty women hosed down with baby oil is totally all right. So is Alan Moore's Lost Girls...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTCleveland View Post
    I don't see a problem with it. I wouldn't want my kid searching there and coming up with stuff like that.
    I'd be fine with my child stumbling across Heather has Two Mommies (and yes, that is one of the books affected).
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    This is ridiculous. I wonder what the publishers will say.

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    They're assembling a list of affected books, here.

    ETA: Oops! props to Kathleen42, she beat me to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTCleveland View Post
    I don't see a problem with it. I wouldn't want my kid searching there and coming up with stuff like that. They aren't removing their availability, people who want those types of books can still get them.
    "Those types of books" included (at the last check) Mary Renault's The Charioteer and The Friendly Young Ladies, Jeanette Winterson's Oranges are Not the Only Fruit, Radcliffe Hall's The Well of Loneliness (sex scene: "that night they were not divided" /sex scene) and Michael Foucault's History of Sexuality.

    I'd be absolutely delighted if my kids were reading any of those.

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