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I haven't seen any evidence of strong sales, or of foreign or subsidiary rights sales. As far as I'm aware, Ms Nash/Allen has continued to write her own books and do PR for other publishers while being an agent, which is a bit of a conflict of interests. I'd proceed with caution.
 

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I'll admit that I'm more than a little prejudiced against agents who are also authors--I've seen a number of them decide that they'd rather write books than sell them for other people, and leave their clients high and dry. I know that can happen with non-writing agents deciding to make a career change, but the first seems to happen enough to be a bit of a red flag for me.
 

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Old Hack, I was alerted to this thread and it's recent updates because of your latest comments (guesswork?) on my career! Thank you for maintaining an interest but your speculation is not correct. I have not done any "PR work for other publishers" since 2008. Nor am I am active writer. I enjoy far more building the careers of more talented writers than myself.

Having been an author is an asset as an agent. Editors know that you will only send them excellent stories, and authors know that you have been there yourself. If agents are quitting it's because being an agent is very hard.

So... as Old Hack will want to know for her continuing dossier... what else have I been doing in these last few years to pay the bills while building the Agency?

I have been a director of Myrmidon, a very small independent publisher, which I am afraid was too good an offer at the time to turn down. It was hard work but fabulous fun. We published Tan Twan Eng who was shortlisted for the Booker Prize in 2012.

I also founded with Harry Bingham and the Writers' Workshop, the York Festival of Writing and and was festival director for the first three years. The vision was to create the UK's biggest and best writer's festival and it is. (I also founded the Festival of Romantic Fiction but I am afraid this was a labour of love and the economics didn't work out).

The Kate Nash Literary Agency has benefited from this activity and gone from strength to strength and I can now give it my full attention. This year (2016) so far I have done 11 deals, mostly multi-book, and 1 more pending, to a variety of publishers including well known publishers such as Harper Collins and Little, Brown. Since 2009 I've sold many debut authors -- always super thrilling. I have authors being nominated for, and winning, prizes -- wonderful affirmation. And I have authors reaching bestseller charts -- well, that's where the money is. There have been so many highlights -- and there will be many more.

I do like to work closely with my authors - they need to be up for the craic - so we're having our next team "away day" in Dublin. :) I can also promise that we are innovative and creative in how we work but I am not sharing details here to have my ideas borrowed by other literary agents. ;)
 
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Old Hack, I was alerted to this thread and it's recent updates because of your latest comments (guesswork?) on my career! Thank you for maintaining an interest but your speculation is not correct. I have not done any "PR work for other publishers" since 2008. Nor am I am active writer. I enjoy far more building the careers of more talented writers than myself.

Thank you for the correction, Kate. None of it was guesswork, it was based on what a few people had told me. So it's only the "PR work for other publishers" bit which was wrong? That's good to know. I won't amend my original post as I prefer to own my words, but I will update it at the bottom of this post.

Having been an author is an asset as an agent. Editors know that you will only send them excellent stories, and authors know that you have been there yourself. If agents are quitting it's because being an agent is very hard.

As an editor, I disagree. One doesn't have to be able to write to be a good agent, and having had a few books published doesn't make you a better agent.

So... as Old Hack will want to know for her continuing dossier... what else have I been doing in these last few years to pay the bills while building the Agency?

I have been a director of Myrmidon, a very small independent publisher, which I am afraid was too good an offer at the time to turn down. It was hard work but fabulous fun. We published Tan Twan Eng who was shortlisted for the Booker Prize in 2012.

A "continuing dossier" sounds exciting but rest assured: I am not invested enough in your career to maintain one on you.

Being a literary agent AND a director at a publisher is a huge conflict of interests. It doesn't matter who you published, it's still a conflict of interests. It's even worse when that publisher has a record of not paying its authors the amounts it is contracted to pay.

I also founded with Harry Bingham and the Writers' Workshop, the York Festival of Writing and and was festival director for the first three years. The vision was to create the UK's biggest and best writer's festival and it is. (I also founded the Festival of Romantic Fiction but I am afraid this was a labour of love and the economics didn't work out).

I've been to the York Festival of Writing. It's very busy, isn't it? I didn't realise you co-founded it with Harry. And it was sad that the Festival of Romance failed, but with the Romantic Novelists Association being so very well-established in the UK you were always going to have a struggle on your hands there, I think.

The Kate Nash Literary Agency has benefited from this activity and gone from strength to strength and I can now give it my full attention. This year (2016) so far I have done 11 deals, mostly multi-book, and 1 more pending, to a variety of publishers including well known publishers such as Harper Collins and Little, Brown. Since 2009 I've sold many debut authors -- always super thrilling. I have authors being nominated for, and winning, prizes -- wonderful affirmation. And I have authors reaching bestseller charts -- well, that's where the money is. There have been so many highlights -- and there will be many more.

Eleven deals in ten months isn't much, even if they were "multi-book". And many books reach some sort of best seller chart now, as there are so many. I saw someone claiming best-seller status a few weeks ago because their book had reached number ten in a minor subsection of a tiny genre on Amazon. It only stayed there for an hour or two, but that was enough for them to claim their best-seller status.

What record do you have on foreign and subsidiary rights sales? Do you work with co-agents in other territories? And how many such deals do you usually make for each of your clients' books? Because based on both my experience, and the opinions of quite a few agents I've talked to, this is so important to building an author's career. I'd expect an average agent to make perhaps 5-10 deals per title, and a good one to make in excess of 20 per title.

I do like to work closely with my authors - they need to be up for the craic - so we're having our next team "away day" in Dublin. :) I can also promise that we are innovative and creative in how we work but I am not sharing details here to have my ideas borrowed by other literary agents. ;)

Oh dear.

Right then, let me revise my earlier comment, which is what brought Kate back here:

This agency has made very few sales. I haven't seen any evidence of foreign or subsidiary rights sales for its clients. As far as I'm aware, Ms Nash/Allen has continued to write her own books and to work for a publisher while being an agent, which is a huge conflict of interests. She has founded a writers' conference which failed. I'd proceed with extreme caution.
 

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As an editor, I disagree. One doesn't have to be able to write to be a good agent, and having had a few books published doesn't make you a better agent.

Yes I completely agree with this.

Being a literary agent AND a director at a publisher is a huge conflict of interests.

Yes it can be and this is precisely why I have always been completely clear and upfront and public about my activities here. You'll see even on the trade announcement to The Bookseller about my Myrmidon appointment in 2010 it was stated that I would still be representing my agency list.

With so many agents now with their own publishing imprints and using programmes for their clients such as Amazon White Glove the important thing is to be completely open and declare and avoid any conflicts of interest. I only came across one potential conflict of interest during my time at Myrmidon and it didn't arise as I declared it immediately to all parties. In terms of commissioning I was mostly on the non-fiction side whereas as an agent I did, and still do, specialise in commercial fiction.

For the record the Kate Nash Literary Agency, or Kate Nash personally, does not have any publishing imprints or programmes. The Agency was invited to join White Glove but has not had any occasion to use it.

Eleven deals in ten months isn't much, even if they were "multi-book".

This may be your opinion but is not correct. According to Publishers Marketplace the most prolific agents manage something like 40 deals in a year. I am a boutique agent with a small client list and many debut authors and I am not competing in the prolific stakes but I am jolly proud with my sales record. If you consider that authors are unlikely to be writing more than one or two books a year, and so with established authors an agent is not going to be doing more than a deal a year on average, and with debut authors the average would be lower as it is harder to get that first deal.

And many books reach some sort of best seller chart now, as there are so many. I saw someone claiming best-seller status a few weeks ago because their book had reached number ten in a minor subsection of a tiny genre on Amazon. It only stayed there for an hour or two, but that was enough for them to claim their best-seller status.

When I talk about bestsellers I mean bestsellers everyone recognises i.e. in newspaper book charts and The Bookseller. Or overall top 10 or top 100 on Kindle.

What record do you have on foreign and subsidiary rights sales? Do you work with co-agents in other territories?

I work with co-agents for foreign rights.

And how many such deals do you usually make for each of your clients' books? Because based on both my experience, and the opinions of quite a few agents I've talked to, this is so important to building an author's career.

Yes it is. I'm not sure that an average I might come up with is meaningful as I have quite a small client list.


I don't understand this comment.

Right then, let me revise my earlier comment, which is what brought Kate back here:

You have revised this to add new speculative assertions but not taken back your earlier speculative comments about me. You have also added "she founded a writers conference that failed." This is not correct. If you are referring to the Festival of Romantic Fiction this was a literary festival/convention (aimed at readers) and not a writers conference. It was not a failure. In it's four years running it broke even every year and sadly just was not economically sustainable. I don't want to go off topic into the woes of literary festivals but the Festival events were either free entry (sponsored) or with very low prices so that the Festival was accessible to all. I clearly said it was a labour of love project for me as I wanted to bring authors and readers together and this was the primary aim. The money side was only about covering costs. The event was well attended, much enjoyed and never a failure as an event.

I have come on this forum so that any writers thinking of approaching me to be their agent are appraised of the facts of my past career and not idle speculation. If anyone wants a full CV it's on LinkedIn.

When a writer signs up with an agent it should be a marriage. It is a long term relationship. As I said before, I work closely with my clients, represent their interests to their goals and ambitions. I am always open and honest with my dealings with everyone.

These are the facts now that I am established as an agent that should be cutting the mustard:
- that I have had publishers (bona fide proper publishers, I don't work with any other kind) recommend me as an agent to writers
- a now significant sales record
- my record with debuts
- my record taking writers careers to bestseller (proper bestseller, see above) status

I work with every single top UK publisher and I work very hard.
 
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Hello!

I haven't seen any evidence of strong sales, or of foreign or subsidiary rights sales. As far as I'm aware, Ms Nash/Allen has continued to write her own books and do PR for other publishers while being an agent, which is a bit of a conflict of interests. I'd proceed with caution.

Hello, Old Hack. Very nice to meet you.
I've had to re-register to join in with this conversation, as it's been so long since I was here, it only has my old e-mail address listed. But I've been following with interest.

I would just like to chip in with my own experiences as a client of the Kate Nash Literary Agency, and to say that your information seems a bit outdated... not your fault, I'm sure; it must be quite hard to keep up with everything! Okay:
  • Kate has been my agent for around three and a half years, during which time she has sold all four of the books we have submitted, to Little, Brown and to HarperCollins.
  • She has also negotiated sales of subsidiary rights to two of them to Magna (Ulverscroft) and is currently negotiating the sale of the other two.
  • She has offered editorial advice, as well as contractual, and I have never felt sidelined by any other projects she might have had 'on the go' at any point.
  • Kate has also supported me fully in my choice to self-publish a further series of mine, and has said she's happy to offer advice, while taking no percentage of any profits.


I think a note of caution is wise when you approach ANY agent, that goes without saying. But I would say that, to single out this agency as needing more than any other, is unfair, and seems to be based on personal opinion rather than updated information and inside knowledge.
I honestly don't know why you have ignored her explanations, or why you choose to express your opinions in such a confrontational way, and I really don't care to know. I just wanted to reassure anyone who's thinking of approaching the agency, that the reality is far different from this litany of accusation from one person. Naturally approach with caution, that's part of the process. Just because you know a road well doesn't mean you don't look twice when crossing, after all. But do your research somewhere other than this before you make your decision.

Just my advice, and good luck to you all :)
 
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Hello, Old Hack. Very nice to meet you.
I've had to re-register to join in with this conversation, as it's been so long since I was here, it only has my old e-mail address listed. But I've been following with interest.

Please get in touch with me immediately so we can merge this account with your previous account.

We're absolutely serious about one account per member and about being courteous, by the way.

ETA: Nevermind; I've located the previous account and merged it.
 
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I do like to work closely with my authors - they need to be up for the craic - so we're having our next team "away day" in Dublin. :) I can also promise that we are innovative and creative in how we work but I am not sharing details here to have my ideas borrowed by other literary agents. ;)

Requiring authors to attend fun days with the agency is unusual. I hope that's in the submission guidelines. It'd be a negative for me, but it might be a positive for others. Either way, it's something to tell people before they submit work.

When a writer signs up with an agent it should be a marriage. It is a long term relationship. As I said before, I work closely with my clients, represent their interests to their goals and ambitions. I am always open and honest with my dealings with everyone.

It's a business relationship. It concerns me that you see it as a marriage, because your authors aren't family. Authors have to be able to leave if it isn't good for their career. They need to have the freedom to complain if things aren't right, without feeling they're betraying the family. Making them feel they're family means they won't have the emotional space to make the best decisions. Which is why I've never seen "we're family" actually benefit authors. It usually results in them putting up with things they really shouldn't.
 

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Please get in touch with me immediately so we can merge this account with your previous account.

We're absolutely serious about one account per member and about being courteous, by the way.

ETA: Nevermind; I've located the previous account and merged it.

I'd sent a message before I read the edited update. I don't see where I wasn't being courteous though...?
 

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Having been an author is an asset as an agent. Editors know that you will only send them excellent stories, and authors know that you have been there yourself. If agents are quitting it's because being an agent is very hard.

As an editor, I disagree. One doesn't have to be able to write to be a good agent, and having had a few books published doesn't make you a better agent.

Yes I completely agree with this.

I was disagreeing with your statement, and you completely agree with me? I am confused.

Yes it can be and this is precisely why I have always been completely clear and upfront and public about my activities here. You'll see even on the trade announcement to The Bookseller about my Myrmidon appointment in 2010 it was stated that I would still be representing my agency list.

With so many agents now with their own publishing imprints and using programmes for their clients such as Amazon White Glove the important thing is to be completely open and declare and avoid any conflicts of interest. I only came across one potential conflict of interest during my time at Myrmidon and it didn't arise as I declared it immediately to all parties. In terms of commissioning I was mostly on the non-fiction side whereas as an agent I did, and still do, specialise in commercial fiction.

For the record the Kate Nash Literary Agency, or Kate Nash personally, does not have any publishing imprints or programmes. The Agency was invited to join White Glove but has not had any occasion to use it.

What The Bookseller says about how you work isn't pertinent here. What is important is what you do. And an agent who also happens to be a director at a publisher does have conflicting interests, no matter how you look at it.

I'm glad you made the effort to avoid the conflict of interests you were involved in: that's good. However, it means that when you were working at Myrmidon, you weren't working for your clients, and that's problematical too.

This may be your opinion but is not correct. According to Publishers Marketplace the most prolific agents manage something like 40 deals in a year.

There's a huge difference between 40 deals in a year, and the number you've claimed.

I am a boutique agent with a small client list and many debut authors and I am not competing in the prolific stakes but I am jolly proud with my sales record. If you consider that authors are unlikely to be writing more than one or two books a year, and so with established authors an agent is not going to be doing more than a deal a year on average, and with debut authors the average would be lower as it is harder to get that first deal.

So are you saying that it's not your fault you've not made many sales, it's just that your authors aren't prolific enough? And that it's harder to sell a debut--despite many publishers' preference for debuts, because they are easier to promote--than it is to sell a book by an established author? This doesn't tally with my experience.

When I talk about bestsellers I mean bestsellers everyone recognises i.e. in newspaper book charts and The Bookseller. Or overall top 10 or top 100 on Kindle.

That's good. The term "best seller" is often overused.

I work with co-agents for foreign rights.

That's good.

Yes it is. I'm not sure that an average I might come up with is meaningful as I have quite a small client list.

Could you share with us the number of foreign, translation and subsidiary sales you and your co-agents have made for your clients this year, perhaps? That would be helpful. Because it is a huge indicator of an agent's ability.

You have revised this to add new speculative assertions but not taken back your earlier speculative comments about me. You have also added "she founded a writers conference that failed." This is not correct. If you are referring to the Festival of Romantic Fiction this was a literary festival/convention (aimed at readers) and not a writers conference.

As I said, I won't edit my earlier comments as I don't like to try to rewrite history.

And the Festival of Romance was marketed to me as a conference for writers: I remember being told about workshops which were focused on the craft of writing.

It was not a failure. In it's four years running it broke even every year and sadly just was not economically sustainable. I don't want to go off topic into the woes of literary festivals but the Festival events were either free entry (sponsored) or with very low prices so that the Festival was accessible to all. I clearly said it was a labour of love project for me as I wanted to bring authors and readers together and this was the primary aim. The money side was only about covering costs. The event was well attended, much enjoyed and never a failure as an event.

Lots of events are successful with regard to attendance. But if they're not financially viable, they're a failure financially. I do think you're splitting hairs here, but each to her own.

I have come on this forum so that any writers thinking of approaching me to be their agent are appraised of the facts of my past career and not idle speculation. If anyone wants a full CV it's on LinkedIn.

When a writer signs up with an agent it should be a marriage. It is a long term relationship. As I said before, I work closely with my clients, represent their interests to their goals and ambitions. I am always open and honest with my dealings with everyone.

These are the facts now that I am established as an agent that should be cutting the mustard:
- that I have had publishers (bona fide proper publishers, I don't work with any other kind) recommend me as an agent to writers
- a now significant sales record
- my record with debuts
- my record taking writers careers to bestseller (proper bestseller, see above) status

Which are the books which you've taken to best-seller status? I'm interested, and not in a snarky way. And I'd like to know more about your record with debut writers, if you'd care to share.

I work with every single top UK publisher and I work very hard.

I don't doubt you work hard. You do a huge amount. But what we're talking about here is how effective you are as an agent, and who you'd suit.
 

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I'm not one of Kate's clients, but I have met her personally. From personal experience, which is what we seem to be going on here, she is always courteous, which is a plus. Her clients seem delighted with her services, and she is expanding her agency in a sensible way - when she can afford it, and when she has the clients to justify it. She is certainly knowledgable about the markets and publishers she sells to.
As for being an author and an agent - it doesn't seem to have done Deirdre Knight any harm, or Donald Maass for that matter. As long as they don't put their business aside for their own writing, I can't see that it's a bad thing.
 

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I think a note of caution is wise when you approach ANY agent, that goes without saying. But I would say that, to single out this agency as needing more than any other, is unfair, and seems to be based on personal opinion rather than updated information and inside knowledge.
I honestly don't know why you have ignored her explanations, or why you choose to express your opinions in such a confrontational way, and I really don't care to know. I just wanted to reassure anyone who's thinking of approaching the agency, that the reality is far different from this litany of accusation from one person. Naturally approach with caution, that's part of the process. Just because you know a road well doesn't mean you don't look twice when crossing, after all. But do your research somewhere other than this before you make your decision.

Just my advice, and good luck to you all :)

I am not singling this agency out for anything, and it's disingenuous of you to suggest I am.

I am not basing my comments here on personal opinion, but on my own experiences, and on reports from writers who have engaged with this agency--not necessarily clients.

I have not ignored Ms Nash's explanations, or been confrontational here, either.

You seem determined to misrepresent me.

That's not helpful.
 

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I didn't have her on my query list as her bio was, literally, very Catholic. Nothing wrong with that, per se, but I doubt we'd be a good match.
 

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And we weren't. Meh. No biggie.

But may I suggest to the good agent that, if she's going to use a website form to perhaps email a confirmation of receipt so we'll recognize your vague gmail address when your assistant sends a form rejection? Or perhaps your assistant could use an email signature with the agency name?

It took me 15 minutes to figure out where this came from. Do they really think we only query one agent at a time?


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Dear Laura,
Thank you very much for your submission. Unfortunately, [MS] is not the right book for us at this time, but we wish you every success going forward.
Best wishes,
Bethany
 

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And we weren't. Meh. No biggie.

But may I suggest to the good agent that, if she's going to use a website form to perhaps email a confirmation of receipt so we'll recognize your vague gmail address when your assistant sends a form rejection? Or perhaps your assistant could use an email signature with the agency name?

It took me 15 minutes to figure out where this came from. Do they really think we only query one agent at a time?


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Dear Laura,
Thank you very much for your submission. Unfortunately, [MS] is not the right book for us at this time, but we wish you every success going forward.
Best wishes,
Bethany
I got this too and was very confused lol
 
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